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Mar 8, 2003 | 08:10 PM

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EuG

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Re: Now that the secret is out.......

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> 232 XE-R/240 XE-R on a 112 <hr /></blockquote>Wow, that's quite big isn't it? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

Has anybody ever tried a cam that big (similar) in a 346ci before? If yes, what kind of numbers did it make?

I gotta wonder if there's anything "special" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> about this particular cam or is it just bigger and that's why it produces higher numbers...

Mar 8, 2003 | 08:17 PM

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Re: Now that the secret is out.......

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by LG Motorsports:
 Rageman just did an 11.18 @ 124 tonight, with his G5X-2 cam only, with Stock heads and he says he is not even started!!! ...
And the first G5X-2 LS1 head and cam package just left here. It came out 455rwhp 420rwtq <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Glad to see you have times - and those are great times!! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> Hopefully this will stop the nay-saying that has been getting almost juvenile on this board.

Thank you for your contributions to the LS1/6 community.

Mar 8, 2003 | 08:28 PM

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Re: Now that the secret is out.......

<blockquote>quote:<hr />I gotta wonder if there's anything "special" about this particular cam or is it just bigger and that's why it produces higher numbers... <hr /></blockquote>There may be more to this cam than meets the eye. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />

Mar 8, 2003 | 08:30 PM

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Re: Now that the secret is out.......

i was thinking but that the price of the cam and install was a little steep, but good lord w/ those times it would be well worth it all i have to say DAMN. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[worship]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

Mar 8, 2003 | 08:49 PM

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Re: Now that the secret is out.......

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> There may be more to this cam than meets the eye. <hr /></blockquote>That's why I'm wondering if anybody has tried similary large <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> sized cam in 346"

If they results were nowhere near what you got then you got a real winner there.

Mar 8, 2003 | 09:06 PM

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Re: Now that the secret is out.......

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by EuG:
Has anybody ever tried a cam that big (similar) in a 346ci before? If yes, what kind of numbers did it make?<hr /></blockquote>PSJ had what he referred to as the "lumberjack" cam in his 346 Westech motor. I don't think he ever really got any numbers out of it (dyno or track time).

I had a 255+/255+ .650+/.650+ solid roller in an "experimental" ~350cid LS1. Not around long enough for any numbers, either.

Looks like Lou has a real winner with this cam, and the numbers from the heads/cam package look even better... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Mar 8, 2003 | 09:59 PM

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Re: Now that the secret is out.......

THere is more to this cam than meets the eye. Lou tried extreemly hard to make this so called HUGE cam work well in a 346, for power and drivability. Louis' car is extreemly tame, and is actually not that bad.

just because everybody and their mom has a cam that is less than 230 intake duration doesnt mean that its too big. Lou and crew ignored that fact and just got out the steel ***** and let them drag when they put that sucker in there <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Props to LG, and Im also glad to see that this has not broked into an all out flamefest <img border="0" alt="[angel]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_angel.gif" />

Mar 8, 2003 | 10:04 PM

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Re: Now that the secret is out.......

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by LG Motorsports:
 Rageman just did an 11.18 @ 124 tonight, with his G5X-2 cam only, with Stock heads and he says he is not even started!!!
<hr /></blockquote>Hey, I have that timeslip right here. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> (I was in the other lane...)

He did finish the night a little better (I have that timeslip too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> ).

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Mar 8, 2003 | 10:05 PM

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Re: Now that the secret is out.......

the word "obtained" sure did ruffle some feathers. its not like i said "stole, robbed, theived, swiped, ........". they have them, they obtained them. the fact that they will not reveal the person who sent the specs to them, makes them just as bad. if you protect a thief, you are a thief. as a buisiness owner, they should understand the need to know who to trust, and not to trust. thunder would be asking for a name if the situation was reversed. if you yourself would want to know, you should want the other person to know as well.

Mar 8, 2003 | 10:12 PM

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Re: Now that the secret is out.......

Lobes 3726int/3730exh

232/240 .595/.609 112lsa...... HHhnmmm just even looks bad *** all typed out! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

<img src="http://www.wckdbrd.net/lobes.bmp" alt=" - " />

Mar 8, 2003 | 10:23 PM

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Re: Now that the secret is out.......

WOW. Those are amazing numbers and a stunning timeslip. I've been on the boards since 98' and it's been fantastic watching the progression of this engine and the sponsors. Congratulations LG! Side note; your suspension on my car is the only reason I don't get wheelhop and kick butt in autox. Keep up the incredible work.

Mar 8, 2003 | 10:46 PM

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Re: Now that the secret is out.......

11.1@124mph is sweet.

Make sure we get the DA at the time of the races that's always interesting.

Mar 8, 2003 | 11:20 PM

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Re: Now that the secret is out.......

Good God that is sweet. Lou and Rage how does the idle compare to the G5 original? I HAD it but the SHAKE at idle drove me nucking futs! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> This car will now become a Toy in the sense that I will only drive it for pleasure not for a DD. Pleasure to me is Ttops off, music loud, and a fast TA. I may consider a bigger cam then the TR224. Input please, and oh by the way, Nice Freaking numbers. <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />

Mar 8, 2003 | 11:21 PM

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Re: Now that the secret is out.......

Just rereading the thread again.

Tim98TA, please no more comments if you can't be constructive I assure you that your TR comments are not needed in any threads about LGM stuff.

George, my 2000 Lumberjack cam was pretty big and was kind of a record for the scene.

I am just wondering with these bigger cams how much you can actually mill LS1 heads for more compression without having PtoV issues.

Mar 8, 2003 | 11:49 PM

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Re: Now that the secret is out.......

ProStock John,

That was exactly why we wanted to keep it in house, So we could check the valve to piston clearance on each set of heads. It is not that hard to do, but any engine should be checked.

The funny thing is that cam specs are just cam specs, and numbers on a sheet are just that until they get put together in the correct way. Then after they are out, they look simple. Remember, that sheet has been out for a year now.

We have tried to develop not just cams and heads, but many other parts for the Fbody, and now for the Corvette, and we're not done yet.

Thanks guys, and especially thanks to Rageman, for helping LGMotorsports hook up with a serious dragracer to showcase our G5X-2 cam. Hey, the specs are out, and so be it. I am sure that it will start a trend.

We plan to keep the price of the cam reasonable and will offer technical advice to any who want it. We will also install the complete package or just the cam package. (in time for the spring break shootout) We look forward to working with many of you soon.

LG

Mar 9, 2003 | 12:38 AM

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Re: Now that the secret is out.......

Wow, that is a SERIOUSLY impressive ET/trap speed for a stock-headed car!! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

As someone else mentioned, this ought to give the doubters something to think about... I mean 11.1x on stock LS1 (as opposed to LS6) heads.

As for the cam its self, I have to say that I am impressed not only by the numbers it is putting out (on the dyno, and now on the track), but the relatively mild idle it has... I mean, don't get me wrong- it results in a pretty righteous lope, but now that I know the specs (those are some pretty serious numbers <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> ), it's not NEARLY as nasty as I would have thought it would be. Then again, maybe Jeremy's tuning has something to do with that... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

As Lou mentioned, I wouldn't be too terribly surprised if we start seeing more and more standard split cams coming out (as opposed to the single/reverse split cams that seem to have been the result of most of the recent development work on these motors). The G5X2 is rolling proof that you can run a pretty healthy-sized (standard split) cam on pump gas in a daily driver and it won't be as unruly as many of us previously thought.

Good stuff from the fine folks at LGM; kudos to Lou and the whole team up there!! I'd say that the only track numbers that the cam has produced so far are pretty F'n impressive. IIRC, there is a H/C A4 car waiting in line for the G5X2... it'll be pretty interesting to see what happens with that one.

However, what I am REALLY waiting for is for someone to have the huevos (and bankroll) to do an all-bore 382 with this setup on it... 510-525 RWHP anyone?? ;D

Mar 9, 2003 | 12:57 AM

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Re: Now that the secret is out.......

Lou I had a question a few months back if a 232/238 595 605 on a 112 would fit in a stock short block and you said no, so yours seems bigger and it fits, what am I missing here..

Matt

[ March 09, 2003, 12:58 AM: Message edited by: matt346ls1 ]

Mar 9, 2003 | 02:31 AM

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Re: Now that the secret is out.......

The thing I don't understand is, you are selling a comp cam. Thay told me about that cam just before new years. Thay said I would have to wait till after the new year.

Mar 9, 2003 | 02:48 AM

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Re: Now that the secret is out.......

i was at the track tonight and got vid's of his runs, i'll be ripping them late tonight to post....for those of you that think alan was stripped out when he ran this-think again....when he strips it out, it will go 10.6-10.7ish @HIGH 120's....the car came out of the hole HARD!!! and just kept pulling from there, i was supposed to get my ride in the car tonight, but alan had to cut the night short LMAO

Mar 9, 2003 | 07:17 AM

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Re: Now that the secret is out.......

Damn,nice numbers.I can't wait to install my G5X2 and Jay's Absolute Speed X2 heads.My Yank 4400 stalled car should fly.

11.1,M6,cam only,in an Auto I think he would have gone 10s,easy.

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