Rise of the Phoenix

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I have a few questions before I start on the new intake setup I'm going to be doing here soon. New intake setup will be a Super Victor/Scorpion 4150 TB. I will be getting a new (much bigger) cam spec'd for the new intake/TB setup. I want to run e85 and raise compression between 13:1 and 14:1, which I assume will be safe with running e85 (I know Diet Coke is running 14:1 compression on e85). I will have the heads milled to acheive the desired compression and flycut the pistons for clearance. The first question is will my Accel 44lb/hr handle e85? The first stage of this will be NA, with a Nitrous plate system coming in stage 2. I will need to upgrade my fuel pump (stock one right now), so I was thinking about going dual 340's. I would love some help in picking out what dual pumps to run that will support e85 (keep in mind I'm trying to do this as budget friendly as possible). Will I need to make any other upgrades other than the pumps? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Rise of the Phoenix

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Anyone got any insight on the Accel 44lb/hr injectors handling e85 on a NA setup? I need to get the fueling side of this figured out.

JakeFusion

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No idea.

Are you removing your cowl for the Super Vic?

.boB

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Barely. I'm using a NA 5.7l with some simple bolt on's. I calculated injector size at right around 42.

Rise of the Phoenix

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I would really like to use the injectors I have if they are going to work. I would expect this setup will make around 500 rwhp NA.

JakeFusion

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I'd aim for a hell of a lot more with a Super Victor and 14:1 compression... even on a 346.

540-550 wouldn't be impossible. With a redline of damn near 8000.

If you're going to hack up your car, go ***** out. And possibly solid roller.

Rise of the Phoenix

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I was just being conservative on the numbers, but yeah, 540 to 550 would be great. I know I'll have to cut the cowl, but I'd like to do it in a way to keep the wipers, or at least the driver's side one. With the Scorpion TB, I think I can modify my stock WS6 hood to work.

Jake, is 14:1 compression too high for e85?

Rise of the Phoenix

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Damn, wasn't expecting to need that much injector.

What fuel pump or pumps would you recommend? Stock fuel line?

JakeFusion

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Super Victor = no wipers from what I've seen. Victor Jr or the Pro-Flo XT might be able to keep the wipers.

Rise of the Phoenix

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Any remote idea what the HP difference would be between a Super Vic and a Vic. Jr.? If it's not that much, I may go the Vic. Jr. route so I don't have to do so much hacking on the car.

A.R. Shale Targa

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If you're seriously going to try to make a hundred more rear wheel horse than you have now with no more cubic inches then you'll have to consider twisting it closer to 8 grand than 7. At that point a 223cc runner will be choking the **** out of it. Since anything below 4500 won't matter anymore perhaps a square port LS3 style head in the 255cc range will feed it better and as Jake suggested....solid roller beast !!!!
I would think an E85 set-up would need at least 40% more injector than you have right now. IIRC they run 8-9 afr instead of 12-13ish.

Rise of the Phoenix

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So it sounds like the Victor Jr. may be a better bet for me given the size of my heads. It would fit better for one and I doubt I'd be giving up a lot of power over the Super Vic. I also heard that on smaller cube engines that the Super Vic. actually went slower than a Victor Jr. regarding ET's on the same setup. Any validity to that? Can an intake be too big for a smaller cube engine?

JakeFusion

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I don't know. I'd still look at a Super Victor and an EPS 236/248 108+4 Single Plane cam...

Here isa video of a guy who did 440/400 with PRC 215s, Super Vic, Elbow, and EPS Cam... through a big stalled A4 and on a Mustang dyno. I don't think he spun it past 7000. Hard to tell in the video:


Oh and here is the link on here: https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...tup-346-a.html

I would think your heads are a little better than the PRC 215s due to the larger port volume for that cam/intake. Btw, that 440/400 was with cutouts closed. Maybe closer to 455-460 open per his assertion it did 18 more with them open before.

My6speedZ

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I've seen heavily ported Jr's get outperformed by out of the box stock super vics.

Rise of the Phoenix

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Jake, I did see that video and have half *** followed his build. I'll have to take a deeper look at it though. I do not plan to run an elbow; I have heard back to back dyno runs with and without an elbow being upwards of 30 rwhp higher without the elbow.

My6speedZ

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Phoenix go on the bullet and look up that thread about Carb hat 4150 vs Elbow and forward TB. It's within the last 30 day so it shouldn't be to hard to find. I'll check back here if you haven't found it i'll look it up for you, i'm just leaving for class right now.

Rise of the Phoenix

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Will do. Thanks for the help.

JakeFusion

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I would not run the elbow either. But, that's about the only way you can keep your wipers... or you run a very small filter on top and rip it off when you race.

To be honest, I'd run MAST LS3 small bore heads, a custom cam with very stable lobes, short-travel lifters, and the Super Victor. Run it to 7500-7800.

Rise of the Phoenix

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I would love to run the MAST small bore heads, but I doubt I'll be able to pull that off financially. I guess if I sold my current heads I may be able to swing it, but I think I'll roll with the heads I have.

The plan is to run a very small filter on top, just like the one guy on here does. IllusionalTA if I remember right.

My6speedZ

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Here is that tread: http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=621601

They star talking about it later in the thread.