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Starting to freshen up my old build, aiming for 460whp. Ideas?

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Old 05-09-2014, 12:10 PM
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Yeah, but those are both LS2. OP has a LS1.
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Originally Posted by Rise of the Phoenix
Yeah, but those are both LS2. OP has a LS1.
Yeah, but...it doesn't matter. If an engine is breathing enough air to make 460whp, it doesn't matter if it's 346ci or 454ci, both the LS6 and LS2 manifold have been proven to be capable of keeping up. Let's not forget where this argument stems from...

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You won't get 460 without a FAST intake.
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Those extra cubes are good for more HP, whatever intake manifold is on there.
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Originally Posted by Rise of the Phoenix
Those extra cubes are good for more HP, whatever intake manifold is on there.
Not exactly. More cubes just lowers peak HP and TQ RPM if everything else is the same. Tony Mamo proved this years ago when he went from a 346ci LS1 to a 383ci LS1 and made the same HP, just at a lower RPM than the 346.
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I'll just leave this alone.

Agree to disagree.
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Originally Posted by KCS
I would sell it all as a longblock and buy a 370ci engine and ported OEM castings.

There's a good chance the heads need new valves, guides, and a valve job. The pistons could have gotten banged up if not destroyed, so you're probably in need of a shortblock anyways.

420whp seems pathetic with AFR heads, but hopefully it runs better than those numbers suggest. 460whp should be easy with more cubes and a decent set of OEM heads.
I agree. That long block could be toast.

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Originally Posted by KCS

Not exactly. More cubes just lowers peak HP and TQ RPM if everything else is the same. Tony Mamo proved this years ago when he went from a 346ci LS1 to a 383ci LS1 and made the same HP, just at a lower RPM than the 346.
Thanks for the info. I never thought of it in those terms. With that said, if I had the choice to start with a 5.7 or a 6.0, I'm taking that 6.0. I guess I need to go back and find that thread you were talking about regarding Mamo.
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This is absolutely correct if all else stays the same, but with the extra cubes you can run a bigger HCI combo and still have similar drivability as a smaller combo with a LS1
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Originally Posted by HCI2000SS
This is absolutely correct if all else stays the same, but with the extra cubes you can run a bigger HCI combo and still have similar drivability as a smaller combo with a LS1
But if all elase is equal, minus the extra cubes, wouldn't the 6.0 make more than the 5.7? If so, how much more?
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That's kinda my point. Who is going to run a 5.7 cam, say a 224/224 or 228R in a 6.0? If you ask me, that test was, well, pointless to put it bluntly.

You pick the cam to optimize the heads, the heads to optimize the displacement, and you wind up with a combo that ultimately dictates the power.
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Originally Posted by KCS
Not exactly. More cubes just lowers peak HP and TQ RPM if everything else is the same. Tony Mamo proved this years ago when he went from a 346ci LS1 to a 383ci LS1 and made the same HP, just at a lower RPM than the 346.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/18217051-post305.html

Posted by Bluedevil415 : Bump from the dead LOL. A while ago i had to swap the stock ls6 short block because i had excessive blow by. I swapped to a stock ls2 short block and kept everything else the same. My previous numbers on the ls6 were 484/412. My new numbers with the ls2 were 493/435. Best E.T has been a 10.98 at 128 M.P.H
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OP could just send his manifold to TPIS and have them do the 90mm conversion and pick up a ballistic speed throttle body for $450-ish altogether, I mean it couldn't hurt right?
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Originally Posted by dr_whigham
https://ls1tech.com/forums/18217051-post305.html

Posted by Bluedevil415 : Bump from the dead LOL. A while ago i had to swap the stock ls6 short block because i had excessive blow by. I swapped to a stock ls2 short block and kept everything else the same. My previous numbers on the ls6 were 484/412. My new numbers with the ls2 were 493/435. Best E.T has been a 10.98 at 128 M.P.H
I would think that the excessive blowby would have played a role in the difference in power there. Not a good example.
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Originally Posted by KCS
I would think that the excessive blowby would have played a role in the difference in power there. Not a good example.
It's about the 3rd post (just snooping today) I've seen where folks have changed nothing but the shortblock and gained...

Perhaps not the best example though.



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