View Poll Results: Which cam do you think is the best match for my goals?
Advanced induction: 234/240-113 .626"
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Final cam decision - vendor recommendations included - input needed
10-07-2016, 02:45 PM
#1
Final cam decision - vendor recommendations included - input needed I have heard back from most of the vendors on what they recommend for my goals. This is what I said my goals were and I'll list what was recommended by different vendors.
Decent/ Good Driveability( i understand it wont be stock) with no PTV issues, 450 rwhp(not just a dyno queen) with good mid range torque, don't want to have to rev it to 4000 before I feel any power, something that will match well with 3.73 (for when my 10 bolt let's loose in the future) and I'd like it to pull hard to 65-6800 but not much higher due to being on a stock bottom end. It is not driven daily but would love to be able to make a 100 mile trip and feel confident. I expect some low rpm bucking but don't want it to be too bad. I plan on going with advanced inductions 226cc 243 heads for sure since i think they are hard to beat. If I can achieve near my goals with a stock LS6 intake then great, if not I'll see if budget will allow for a FAST 92/92. Im not going to be disappointed if i hit 410-420 as long as it performs at the track.. 450rwhp is just what im shooting for..Rest of supporting mods in my signature.
Here is what was recommended. The catch is, I have the SNS 3 mild but started second guessing and looking for different specs. TICK recommended I keep that cam for my goals so I'll include that spec with the rest. They are are real close. I was expecting much different recommendations honestly..
-Tick SNS 3 Milder Lobes: 234/242 | .612"/.615" | LSA111+2 recommended to mil my 243s to .010 to get around 10.5 to 1. I bought this cam used and on a COMP core made in 2015 (the whine issue was in 2014)
-Cam motion: 232/240 .621/.604 114+3 mill to .025 for 60cc at around 10.8:1
-Advanced induction: 234/240-113 .626 mill heads to achieve 10.7-10.8 to 1
Or to get to 11:1 go with a 230/238-113 .605”
As you can see, a lot of close recommendations based on my goals. I don't want this to be a favorite vendor battle because all choices have great customer service and have helped me a lot to determine what I need.
Do I keep the SNS 3 mild or sell it to get one of the other 3? How much difference will I really see between the 4 listed? Seems like it would be minimal but I'm not a pro, so any input would be greatly appreciated.
Decent/ Good Driveability( i understand it wont be stock) with no PTV issues, 450 rwhp(not just a dyno queen) with good mid range torque, don't want to have to rev it to 4000 before I feel any power, something that will match well with 3.73 (for when my 10 bolt let's loose in the future) and I'd like it to pull hard to 65-6800 but not much higher due to being on a stock bottom end. It is not driven daily but would love to be able to make a 100 mile trip and feel confident. I expect some low rpm bucking but don't want it to be too bad. I plan on going with advanced inductions 226cc 243 heads for sure since i think they are hard to beat. If I can achieve near my goals with a stock LS6 intake then great, if not I'll see if budget will allow for a FAST 92/92. Im not going to be disappointed if i hit 410-420 as long as it performs at the track.. 450rwhp is just what im shooting for..Rest of supporting mods in my signature.
Here is what was recommended. The catch is, I have the SNS 3 mild but started second guessing and looking for different specs. TICK recommended I keep that cam for my goals so I'll include that spec with the rest. They are are real close. I was expecting much different recommendations honestly..
-Tick SNS 3 Milder Lobes: 234/242 | .612"/.615" | LSA111+2 recommended to mil my 243s to .010 to get around 10.5 to 1. I bought this cam used and on a COMP core made in 2015 (the whine issue was in 2014)
-Cam motion: 232/240 .621/.604 114+3 mill to .025 for 60cc at around 10.8:1
-Advanced induction: 234/240-113 .626 mill heads to achieve 10.7-10.8 to 1
Or to get to 11:1 go with a 230/238-113 .605”
As you can see, a lot of close recommendations based on my goals. I don't want this to be a favorite vendor battle because all choices have great customer service and have helped me a lot to determine what I need.
Do I keep the SNS 3 mild or sell it to get one of the other 3? How much difference will I really see between the 4 listed? Seems like it would be minimal but I'm not a pro, so any input would be greatly appreciated.
10-07-2016, 03:05 PM
#2
I went with the streetsweeper HT, I don't think I've ever read anything negative about it, still haven't installed it but it's hit 450 RWHP plenty of times with a decent set of heads. I essentially have the same heads as you (TEA stage 1 243's) so it should do fairly well. It's ground on a comp core but Ed is a great guy to deal with and assured me he has had no issues and would take care of them if any were to arise, it's worth a shout out for another option.
10-07-2016, 03:18 PM
#3
I ran a Cam Motion very similar to that one. Mine was 230/238 .620"/.602" 113+3
It worked very well for a combo like what you want. I would def recommend that.
To be quite frank I don't care what year the Comp grind was dated I wouldn't install it in anything I owned. Aside from the "whine" issue a lot of them had issue with surface flaking/pitting as well. Supposedly they have recently fixed this but I no longer have faith in their product so I steer clear.
It worked very well for a combo like what you want. I would def recommend that.
To be quite frank I don't care what year the Comp grind was dated I wouldn't install it in anything I owned. Aside from the "whine" issue a lot of them had issue with surface flaking/pitting as well. Supposedly they have recently fixed this but I no longer have faith in their product so I steer clear.
10-07-2016, 05:51 PM
#4
I ran a Cam Motion very similar to that one. Mine was 230/238 .620"/.602" 113+3
It worked very well for a combo like what you want. I would def recommend that.
To be quite frank I don't care what year the Comp grind was dated I wouldn't install it in anything I owned. Aside from the "whine" issue a lot of them had issue with surface flaking/pitting as well. Supposedly they have recently fixed this but I no longer have faith in their product so I steer clear.
It worked very well for a combo like what you want. I would def recommend that.
To be quite frank I don't care what year the Comp grind was dated I wouldn't install it in anything I owned. Aside from the "whine" issue a lot of them had issue with surface flaking/pitting as well. Supposedly they have recently fixed this but I no longer have faith in their product so I steer clear.
10-07-2016, 06:01 PM
#5
Also added a poll to help get more input from others that don't feel like posting. Keep in mind, please focus more on the spec itself, I don't want to turn it into who the favorite is.. I'm sure Martin/BTR/etc. could also be in the running. Sent a message to Martin and haven't recieved a reply yet, but I'd venture to guess the spec would be sinilar.
Thanks again for any input!
Thanks again for any input!
I would add BTR Stage 3 and Stage 4 to your list.Trending Topics
10-07-2016, 08:38 PM
#8
Like you know, dyno numbers are just that, numbers. It made 402 unlocked and (just for fun, one time) 420 locked. SS3600 and 3.42 geared 10 bolt. Now have a spooled S60 w/no dyno #'s but the 60' dropped to 1.46 full weight+(150 shot)
Last edited by ragtopz28; 10-07-2016 at 08:47 PM.
10-08-2016, 01:06 AM
#14
Im running Livernois Motorsports stage 3 LS6 heads and TSP 233/239 cam. No issues at all. It is about as aggressive as i would go. My goals are exactly the same as yours OP.
Honestly, with the cams that your looking at, i doubt you will notice a difference between them.
Honestly, with the cams that your looking at, i doubt you will notice a difference between them.
10-08-2016, 03:17 AM
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I had a M6 2002 WS6 that made 450rwhp and 426rwtq. That was with TFS 215 milled to 61cc and a small 224/228 112+4. I loved that set up and hurt a lot of feelings.lol With the right combo and supporting mods you should be able to hit your goal very easily. Good luck and keep us posted.
10-08-2016, 07:36 AM
#16
TXZ28 LS1 that set up isn't too far from what I'm looking for. I'm was kind of thinking the same on the cams, how much different would they really be.. I'm wondering if the lower LSA would help me keep more mid range torque vs. Top end. I've always heard a 114 lsa is better for autos but not sure why, other than that the durations are pretty close on all of them.
WS6RED2002TA that's crazy you were able to achieve that with such a small cam.. good supporting mods and good heads would help I guess. What did it put down at the track?
10-08-2016, 08:57 AM
#17
Stick with the SNS3, and mill the heads...you ALREADY have the cam and its fairly close to other recommendations....if my car was not my DD, I would have gone with the SNS3 vice the SNS2, BUT I opted for the LS2 version to be more in between the two and keep essentially the same powerband.
10-08-2016, 09:25 AM
#18
my opinion(and I think I mentioned this in another thread) would be to back the cam down into the 228/232 range. Everyone's perspective on what they consider "good drive-ability" is different, but I would not want a cam with 234 intake duration for a 346 that is driven frequently.
Aside from that, the Titan 4(228/232), AI 243's milled for 11.4:1, Fast 92, and 1 7/8 header setup should easily make 450whp and run high 10's to low 11's. It's been done many times. You do not need a big cam to do reach your goals with your current parts list. This setup will drive better and have more throttle response due to the compression bump. Also the compression difference will off set the power difference between the 228/232 and the larger cams with less compression.
If you want to run a larger cam, then I would either fly cut, or go with aftermarket castings that allow for more compression due to increased PTV.
Aside from that, the Titan 4(228/232), AI 243's milled for 11.4:1, Fast 92, and 1 7/8 header setup should easily make 450whp and run high 10's to low 11's. It's been done many times. You do not need a big cam to do reach your goals with your current parts list. This setup will drive better and have more throttle response due to the compression bump. Also the compression difference will off set the power difference between the 228/232 and the larger cams with less compression.
If you want to run a larger cam, then I would either fly cut, or go with aftermarket castings that allow for more compression due to increased PTV.
10-08-2016, 09:29 AM
#19
Stick with the SNS3, and mill the heads...you ALREADY have the cam and its fairly close to other recommendations....if my car was not my DD, I would have gone with the SNS3 vice the SNS2, BUT I opted for the LS2 version to be more in between the two and keep essentially the same powerband.
That's the predicament I've been stuck with since I already have it.. I know it will be a beast too..I think all of the recent hate towards comp makes me hesitate a little more but I'm sure it's fine. I appreciate the input
10-08-2016, 09:57 AM
#20
my opinion(and I think I mentioned this in another thread) would be to back the cam down into the 228/232 range. Everyone's perspective on what they consider "good drive-ability" is different, but I would not want a cam with 234 intake duration for a 346 that is driven frequently.
Aside from that, the Titan 4(228/232), AI 243's milled for 11.4:1, Fast 92, and 1 7/8 header setup should easily make 450whp and run high 10's to low 11's. It's been done many times. You do not need a big cam to do reach your goals with your current parts list. This setup will drive better and have more throttle response due to the compression bump. Also the compression difference will off set the power difference between the 228/232 and the larger cams with less compression.
If you want to run a larger cam, then I would either fly cut, or go with aftermarket castings that allow for more compression due to increased PTV.
Aside from that, the Titan 4(228/232), AI 243's milled for 11.4:1, Fast 92, and 1 7/8 header setup should easily make 450whp and run high 10's to low 11's. It's been done many times. You do not need a big cam to do reach your goals with your current parts list. This setup will drive better and have more throttle response due to the compression bump. Also the compression difference will off set the power difference between the 228/232 and the larger cams with less compression.
If you want to run a larger cam, then I would either fly cut, or go with aftermarket castings that allow for more compression due to increased PTV.