Cam thoughts w/ Milled 243s
07-30-2017, 03:06 PM
#21
Well i would compare adv @050 and @200 but cammotion doesnt have any of that ready.
Its cut on a 110+3 so its good on ptv without flycutting. it comes out to a 107 or 108 icl depending on timing set normally. It would be pretty close to the titan4 in that respect but a tighter lsa keeps the exhaust ptv not as much of an issue vs the 113 of the titan if it would be at all
I can sit here and compare all day but there will be power either way. our asa cam is cheaper so thats the main difference that is on paper. it may be overall quieter as well.
Its cut on a 110+3 so its good on ptv without flycutting. it comes out to a 107 or 108 icl depending on timing set normally. It would be pretty close to the titan4 in that respect but a tighter lsa keeps the exhaust ptv not as much of an issue vs the 113 of the titan if it would be at all
I can sit here and compare all day but there will be power either way. our asa cam is cheaper so thats the main difference that is on paper. it may be overall quieter as well.
07-30-2017, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by tech@WS6store
We can get nearly any cam and have quite a few on the shelf even. if you want a bigger cam we do have our high lift asa cam competitor that is a 226/236 .600/.600 110 that is a good step up and still has plenty of ptv. same price too. we use the pac1218 to stay on a budget with a good quality spring but you can use any other spring for .600+ lift also. Easy lobes with a quiet valvetrain too.
07-30-2017, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by tech@WS6store
Well i would compare adv @050 and @200 but cammotion doesnt have any of that ready.
Its cut on a 110+3 so its good on ptv without flycutting. it comes out to a 107 or 108 icl depending on timing set normally. It would be pretty close to the titan4 in that respect but a tighter lsa keeps the exhaust ptv not as much of an issue vs the 113 of the titan if it would be at all
I can sit here and compare all day but there will be power either way. our asa cam is cheaper so thats the main difference that is on paper. it may be overall quieter as well.
Its cut on a 110+3 so its good on ptv without flycutting. it comes out to a 107 or 108 icl depending on timing set normally. It would be pretty close to the titan4 in that respect but a tighter lsa keeps the exhaust ptv not as much of an issue vs the 113 of the titan if it would be at all
I can sit here and compare all day but there will be power either way. our asa cam is cheaper so thats the main difference that is on paper. it may be overall quieter as well.
Advancing helps improve exhaust ptv but decreases clearance on the intake side.
07-30-2017, 07:22 PM
#25
It seems Titan4 will have more room, but will they both work?
Honestly, I think I'd prefer the ASA, I just hadn't considered because I didn't think I'd have the PTV. But if its too close to call... I'd rather err on the side of more PTV.
07-31-2017, 09:43 AM
#32
Ok... so some of you may have seen I was working on a budget build for my new motor... budget got even tighter than originally planned so power levels will def be lower, but I think I can still meet my mid - range torque goals.
I've got a rebuilt 2001 LS6 shortblock with king bearings, ARP bolts, and Mahle rings. Reman'd 243 heads milled .030 with .660 lift dual springs. I'm leaning GM MLS head gaskets with ARP head bolts, but I've been considering the Cometic .040. Regardless, I do not want to fly cut the pistons.
Anyway, assuming my TR224 (224/224 .56x/.56x 114lsa) is reusable from the blown motor... does anyone see any benefit going bigger considering the tight PTV, I don't imagine I can fit much more than the current cam anyway.
Torque goal is 350rwtq from 3000 to 6000 rpm. I called Tick last week to spec a cam, but haven't heard back. Thoughts?
I've got a rebuilt 2001 LS6 shortblock with king bearings, ARP bolts, and Mahle rings. Reman'd 243 heads milled .030 with .660 lift dual springs. I'm leaning GM MLS head gaskets with ARP head bolts, but I've been considering the Cometic .040. Regardless, I do not want to fly cut the pistons.
Anyway, assuming my TR224 (224/224 .56x/.56x 114lsa) is reusable from the blown motor... does anyone see any benefit going bigger considering the tight PTV, I don't imagine I can fit much more than the current cam anyway.
Torque goal is 350rwtq from 3000 to 6000 rpm. I called Tick last week to spec a cam, but haven't heard back. Thoughts?
You can read more about it here:
http://store.cammotion.com/the-titan4
07-31-2017, 03:25 PM
#34
I dont know the da but da wouldnt effect mph as much as it would et i believe. ive tried to find the weather info but its hard to find.
There was no tuning change he just put cam in, they adjusted idle some, and ran it on the dyno from what Dave told me.
Ask him as he has more info on all that but i am pretty sure thats correct.
Even so, if the cam took diff tuning, would it have made a diff? If the cam took more timing etc thats a product of the cam swap. The og hotcam setup was tuned the same way, so thats not even a factor to calculate.
Based off when he ran the car i think the da may have been worse on this recent run, but dont quote me on that.
No need to nitpick it to death though, it ran 5mph faster while running worse et 60ft 800ft etc so it litetally means it was making more power.
There was no tuning change he just put cam in, they adjusted idle some, and ran it on the dyno from what Dave told me.
Ask him as he has more info on all that but i am pretty sure thats correct.
Even so, if the cam took diff tuning, would it have made a diff? If the cam took more timing etc thats a product of the cam swap. The og hotcam setup was tuned the same way, so thats not even a factor to calculate.
Based off when he ran the car i think the da may have been worse on this recent run, but dont quote me on that.
No need to nitpick it to death though, it ran 5mph faster while running worse et 60ft 800ft etc so it litetally means it was making more power.
07-31-2017, 03:29 PM
#35
http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-...calculator.php
07-31-2017, 03:47 PM
#36
I dont know when he ran the orig time, and the da apparently changed from high 1700s to low 1900s through the day with relative humidity in the 50s to 90s. the track altitude is 630 above sea level according to the site. was at toronto motorsports park. so the da was good for alot of tracks here but not for that track ideally. Da was around 3x as high as actual altitude.
07-31-2017, 04:14 PM
#37
I dont know the da but da wouldnt effect mph as much as it would et i believe. ive tried to find the weather info but its hard to find.
There was no tuning change he just put cam in, they adjusted idle some, and ran it on the dyno from what Dave told me.
Ask him as he has more info on all that but i am pretty sure thats correct.
Even so, if the cam took diff tuning, would it have made a diff? If the cam took more timing etc thats a product of the cam swap. The og hotcam setup was tuned the same way, so thats not even a factor to calculate.
Based off when he ran the car i think the da may have been worse on this recent run, but dont quote me on that.
No need to nitpick it to death though, it ran 5mph faster while running worse et 60ft 800ft etc so it litetally means it was making more power.
There was no tuning change he just put cam in, they adjusted idle some, and ran it on the dyno from what Dave told me.
Ask him as he has more info on all that but i am pretty sure thats correct.
Even so, if the cam took diff tuning, would it have made a diff? If the cam took more timing etc thats a product of the cam swap. The og hotcam setup was tuned the same way, so thats not even a factor to calculate.
Based off when he ran the car i think the da may have been worse on this recent run, but dont quote me on that.
No need to nitpick it to death though, it ran 5mph faster while running worse et 60ft 800ft etc so it litetally means it was making more power.
07-31-2017, 04:18 PM
#38
Im sure the dyno graph was low and have said as much The diff in mph proves that. everyone argues to take it to the track that you cant race a dyno, he takes it to the track and proves not only the cam but what ive said and people are still critical. cant please everyone i guess.
07-31-2017, 05:28 PM
#39
Im sure the dyno graph was low and have said as much The diff in mph proves that. everyone argues to take it to the track that you cant race a dyno, he takes it to the track and proves not only the cam but what ive said and people are still critical. cant please everyone i guess.
07-31-2017, 06:08 PM
#40
Left to be desired? He loves it. Not only vs his orig hot cam but vs others.
On any other project again no one would ask for all that info though if it were any other cam. It dynod low but ran great at track and his feedback is all him. most combos that dyno low are just accepted as dynoing low.
We have sold quite a few of these actually.
Your questions have mostly been answered in both his threads on it honestly.
On any other project again no one would ask for all that info though if it were any other cam. It dynod low but ran great at track and his feedback is all him. most combos that dyno low are just accepted as dynoing low.
We have sold quite a few of these actually.
Your questions have mostly been answered in both his threads on it honestly.