Ls1 with 243 heads/ls6 cam
08-08-2017, 03:57 PM
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what numbers did it put down? Honestly I'm not to worried about hitting 500 right away. I just want a good start and dont want to double buy parts in the future. 420-450whp sounds awesome before boost. I have access to stock gto heads that I can have ported. I was looking at Texas speed cams, BTR cams, and ms3 cams to go with the heads but if a stock ls6 cam is a better cam for boost I'd sacrifice hp now for more later. I don't even know if id rather go turbo or supercharged. I've been reading threads all day and everytime I see a good point for turbos I'm team turbo. Then I read something bad about turbos and I'm team sc. But for now I just need hp that can support boost later. It also doesn't help that I'm new to sc and turbos. So the new info and thread wars have me wishy-washy. I don't like sc whine that much but I seen a vette that had a loud air flow sounds at idle but the supercharger was quite at wot. It also had a bov.
08-08-2017, 05:46 PM
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[QUOTE=Darth_V8r;19694370]Yup there's a holy triangle of hot rodding. Price performance and dependable. Pick the two you want and sacrifice the third. You could argue comfort or DD also but I find those tend to go hand in hand with dependability.
Ha Ha, You can not get a more Accurate statement than this.
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08-08-2017, 07:54 PM
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My car dyno 426 hp with LS1, CNC Ported 799/243, Cam, Headers, LS6 intake. Intake holding me back. But I daily drive my car. I am getting 19 mpg. I put around 10,000 miles on it in about a year.
Recently had to reinstall my stock 853 due to dropping a valve seat. Which is mostly likely a side affect of my car overheating because of a sticking thermostat.
Recently had to reinstall my stock 853 due to dropping a valve seat. Which is mostly likely a side affect of my car overheating because of a sticking thermostat.
08-08-2017, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by liltaz1225
Honestly I like the gains of boosting and I'm sure I'd enjoy the sounds from them, but they still worry me with dependability. I started off looking for a n/a 500whp build
But it seems id have to go big cam and heads which hurt drivability. Plus the price was like the same. Thank you guys for sharing with me. Like I said I'm a noob at ls motors atm. But I'm learning fast.
But it seems id have to go big cam and heads which hurt drivability. Plus the price was like the same. Thank you guys for sharing with me. Like I said I'm a noob at ls motors atm. But I'm learning fast.
1. Just install the heads and cam and bolt ons. Get about 420 rwhp. Spray when you need the hit. Cheapest route and keep all your daily driver non pain the *** driving
2. Install the LS6 stuff and bolt ons and then boost it. Again, keep your DD. I still recommend porting the heads so you can get more power at lower boost. Or you get even more power at even more boost. But ddn is right - porting not necessary for 500 hp. But I wouldn't call it a waste.
3. Build a high end 5.7. It's expensive, difficult, expensive, heartbreaking, expensive, time consuming, and expensive. Especially if you want to retain your driving manners. It's cheaper if you're willing to deal with driving manners, and rev the **** out of it instead of optimizing it.
4. Displacement.
Personally I find that either you do a budget build with low expectations so you're not upset or you go all in, because you'll end up wanting more anyway and you won't be happy until you know it's maxed out.
Best of luck
08-08-2017, 11:20 PM
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No problem. You're learning the right way. There's really four ways to hit 500 hp.
1. Just install the heads and cam and bolt ons. Get about 420 rwhp. Spray when you need the hit. Cheapest route and keep all your daily driver non pain the *** driving
2. Install the LS6 stuff and bolt ons and then boost it. Again, keep your DD. I still recommend porting the heads so you can get more power at lower boost. Or you get even more power at even more boost. But ddn is right - porting not necessary for 500 hp. But I wouldn't call it a waste.
3. Build a high end 5.7. It's expensive, difficult, expensive, heartbreaking, expensive, time consuming, and expensive. Especially if you want to retain your driving manners. It's cheaper if you're willing to deal with driving manners, and rev the **** out of it instead of optimizing it.
4. Displacement.
Personally I find that either you do a budget build with low expectations so you're not upset or you go all in, because you'll end up wanting more anyway and you won't be happy until you know it's maxed out.
Best of luck
1. Just install the heads and cam and bolt ons. Get about 420 rwhp. Spray when you need the hit. Cheapest route and keep all your daily driver non pain the *** driving
2. Install the LS6 stuff and bolt ons and then boost it. Again, keep your DD. I still recommend porting the heads so you can get more power at lower boost. Or you get even more power at even more boost. But ddn is right - porting not necessary for 500 hp. But I wouldn't call it a waste.
3. Build a high end 5.7. It's expensive, difficult, expensive, heartbreaking, expensive, time consuming, and expensive. Especially if you want to retain your driving manners. It's cheaper if you're willing to deal with driving manners, and rev the **** out of it instead of optimizing it.
4. Displacement.
Personally I find that either you do a budget build with low expectations so you're not upset or you go all in, because you'll end up wanting more anyway and you won't be happy until you know it's maxed out.
Best of luck
08-09-2017, 06:53 AM
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There are much better ways to get to 500whp than a H/C/I build. Just jam a Procharger on the stock engine and call it a day. A baby cam and budget beehives to taste. Obviously you still need exhaust and fuel system supporting mods.
Case in point we H/C/I'd the wagon's LS1 and it is a stone compared to the Procharged LS2 (w/LS9 cam) in our TBSS. Other than the cool exhaust note it is a performance disappointment at this time.
Case in point we H/C/I'd the wagon's LS1 and it is a stone compared to the Procharged LS2 (w/LS9 cam) in our TBSS. Other than the cool exhaust note it is a performance disappointment at this time.
08-09-2017, 10:28 AM
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There are much better ways to get to 500whp than a H/C/I build. Just jam a Procharger on the stock engine and call it a day. A baby cam and budget beehives to taste. Obviously you still need exhaust and fuel system supporting mods.
Case in point we H/C/I'd the wagon's LS1 and it is a stone compared to the Procharged LS2 (w/LS9 cam) in our TBSS. Other than the cool exhaust note it is a performance disappointment at this time.
Case in point we H/C/I'd the wagon's LS1 and it is a stone compared to the Procharged LS2 (w/LS9 cam) in our TBSS. Other than the cool exhaust note it is a performance disappointment at this time.
08-09-2017, 06:10 PM
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Yes, the LS2 has stock 243s with a 918-type beehive spring from PRC. The truck weighs 5200lbs and ran 11.9@116mph w/1.6 60'. There are much better cam options than TSP shelf grinds; and 243s are an upgrade over 241s so if you get them cheap enough go for it. Otherwise don't open the engine needlessly.
08-11-2017, 09:16 AM
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Yes, the LS2 has stock 243s with a 918-type beehive spring from PRC. The truck weighs 5200lbs and ran 11.9@116mph w/1.6 60'. There are much better cam options than TSP shelf grinds; and 243s are an upgrade over 241s so if you get them cheap enough go for it. Otherwise don't open the engine needlessly.
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08-11-2017, 10:52 AM
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Look man idk how many different ways we can give you the same answers. Like Darth said above in his list. You want 500 reliable power:
1. Bolt on's, stock 243s, ls6 cam, and spray
2. Bolt on's, boost it with stock heads and cam, bam done
3. About 10k in the best of everything money can buy with a lot of time and research to get every piece of your combo to work perfectly together and keep your fingers crossed that it hits 500
4. Bigger cubes makes more power for less.
From this point on the search tab, google, and the dyno section are your best friend for looking up others combos. Look up darths build thread and take an hour or two to read through its entirety to see how he got to 500 and the price tag it came with.
Now go get em tiger ��
1. Bolt on's, stock 243s, ls6 cam, and spray
2. Bolt on's, boost it with stock heads and cam, bam done
3. About 10k in the best of everything money can buy with a lot of time and research to get every piece of your combo to work perfectly together and keep your fingers crossed that it hits 500
4. Bigger cubes makes more power for less.
From this point on the search tab, google, and the dyno section are your best friend for looking up others combos. Look up darths build thread and take an hour or two to read through its entirety to see how he got to 500 and the price tag it came with.
Now go get em tiger ��
08-11-2017, 08:51 PM
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Look man idk how many different ways we can give you the same answers. Like Darth said above in his list. You want 500 reliable power:
1. Bolt on's, stock 243s, ls6 cam, and spray
2. Bolt on's, boost it with stock heads and cam, bam done
3. About 10k in the best of everything money can buy with a lot of time and research to get every piece of your combo to work perfectly together and keep your fingers crossed that it hits 500
4. Bigger cubes makes more power for less.
From this point on the search tab, google, and the dyno section are your best friend for looking up others combos. Look up darths build thread and take an hour or two to read through its entirety to see how he got to 500 and the price tag it came with.
Now go get em tiger ��
1. Bolt on's, stock 243s, ls6 cam, and spray
2. Bolt on's, boost it with stock heads and cam, bam done
3. About 10k in the best of everything money can buy with a lot of time and research to get every piece of your combo to work perfectly together and keep your fingers crossed that it hits 500
4. Bigger cubes makes more power for less.
From this point on the search tab, google, and the dyno section are your best friend for looking up others combos. Look up darths build thread and take an hour or two to read through its entirety to see how he got to 500 and the price tag it came with.
Now go get em tiger ��
08-20-2017, 08:39 PM
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