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Old Sep 26, 2017 | 05:10 PM
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Guys I have an 02 camaro ss. 40k miles. Automatic, 3.23 gears. 1 7/8 longtubes. Fresh, unported 243 heads with btr 660 springs milled .010. Stock short block. Not planning on any power adder. I'm looking for cam recommendations. This is a street car that may go to the track once a year, BUT it's not a daily driver. Just a weekend street terror or at least I hope to make it. I want the choppy idle with decent street manners. I want good power under the curve, and not Just a high rpm powerband that begins at 5k. I'm planning on running a 3600-4000 stall converter. I really don't want to change rear gears or rearends, unless I break the 10 bolt on its rare trip to the drag strip. Probably will never see slicks. Help me cam my car correctly please. Thanks in advance!
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Old Sep 26, 2017 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Kyle Dusenberry
Guys I have an 02 camaro ss. 40k miles. Automatic, 3.23 gears. 1 7/8 longtubes. Fresh, unported 243 heads with btr 660 springs milled .010. Stock short block. Not planning on any power adder. I'm looking for cam recommendations. This is a street car that may go to the track once a year, BUT it's not a daily driver. Just a weekend street terror or at least I hope to make it. I want the choppy idle with decent street manners. I want good power under the curve, and not Just a high rpm powerband that begins at 5k. I'm planning on running a 3600-4000 stall converter. I really don't want to change rear gears or rearends, unless I break the 10 bolt on its rare trip to the drag strip. Probably will never see slicks. Help me cam my car correctly please. Thanks in advance!
Slicks are easier on the rear than radials, they're lighter and absorb more shock through their softer construction.

As far as a cam.. The texas speed torquer cams would be a decent fit. Or a 228R to be a little on the milder and very broad power side. If you wanted to go to the bigger side a MS3 or 4 may be your thing. There's a lot of cams out there that seem to fit your criteria so it's pretty hard to narrow it to one. I listed 4 above and that's only from one manufacturer..
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Old Sep 26, 2017 | 05:27 PM
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Will you be porting those 243's?
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Old Sep 26, 2017 | 05:44 PM
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No porting for now. I would lo​​​​​​ve to but it's just not in the budget. Would it be worth it to mildly hand port them myself? Just clean up the casting flash, smooth the exhaust ports, etc? I was originally thinking torquer v2 or v3, cam motion titan 4, etc. Something 230 intake, 234 exhaust 575-600 lift give or take. I'm not to concerned with valve spring life as I won't drive it many miles.
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Titan 3 cam ---- 3.23 friendly
SNS stage 2 cam ---- may want 3.73
Tsp 228R ---- may want 3.73
Tsp 224R ---- 3.23 friendly
Streetsweeper HT ---- may want 3.73
ws6stores improved GM hotcam ---- 3.23 friendly
Lunati 277/283 ---- 3.73s
Lunati 272-278 ---- 3.23s

Id rock the 3200-3600 converter. Less heat and slip.
Gears are just a recommendation. I wouldnt run 228 and up cams with 3.23s personally. But you can.
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Old Sep 26, 2017 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Kyle Dusenberry
No porting for now. I would lo​​​​​​ve to but it's just not in the budget. Would it be worth it to mildly hand port them myself? Just clean up the casting flash, smooth the exhaust ports, etc? I was originally thinking torquer v2 or v3, cam motion titan 4, etc. Something 230 intake, 234 exhaust 575-600 lift give or take. I'm not to concerned with valve spring life as I won't drive it many miles.
It wouldn't be a bad idea if you know what you're doing. Otherwise I'd leave them alone for now. Something with the specs of a V2 or V3 would be in a great range for your setup IMO. My buddy has a setup identical to yours but with AI ported 243's and a Camotion cam. Specs are like 230/236 112 LSA. Runs really good on his setup. I don't think you can really go wrong with cam that's speced in that general area
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Since it hasn't been mentioned yet... I'll the BTR III or IV
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Old Sep 27, 2017 | 12:24 PM
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What do you guys think of the tick sns v2 cam?
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What do you guys think of the tick sns v2 cam?
I think that's a solid choice as well
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Old Sep 27, 2017 | 12:41 PM
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Eithier the btr stage 3 or hit up Pat G.
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Old Sep 27, 2017 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Kyle Dusenberry
Guys I have an 02 camaro ss. 40k miles. Automatic, 3.23 gears. 1 7/8 longtubes. Fresh, unported 243 heads with btr 660 springs milled .010. Stock short block. Not planning on any power adder. I'm looking for cam recommendations. This is a street car that may go to the track once a year, BUT it's not a daily driver. Just a weekend street terror or at least I hope to make it. I want the choppy idle with decent street manners. I want good power under the curve, and not Just a high rpm powerband that begins at 5k. I'm planning on running a 3600-4000 stall converter. I really don't want to change rear gears or rearends, unless I break the 10 bolt on its rare trip to the drag strip. Probably will never see slicks. Help me cam my car correctly please. Thanks in advance!
For a great idle sound and excellent drivability, I think you will love the Titan 4:
http://www.cammotion.com/camshafts/t...227-232-113-4/
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Old Sep 27, 2017 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Kyle Dusenberry
Guys I have an 02 camaro ss. 40k miles. Automatic, 3.23 gears. 1 7/8 longtubes. Fresh, unported 243 heads with btr 660 springs milled .010. Stock short block. Not planning on any power adder. I'm looking for cam recommendations. This is a street car that may go to the track once a year, BUT it's not a daily driver. Just a weekend street terror or at least I hope to make it. I want the choppy idle with decent street manners. I want good power under the curve, and not Just a high rpm powerband that begins at 5k. I'm planning on running a 3600-4000 stall converter. I really don't want to change rear gears or rearends, unless I break the 10 bolt on its rare trip to the drag strip. Probably will never see slicks. Help me cam my car correctly please. Thanks in advance!
This build is VERY similar and will make great power both on the street and the strip.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/1881622-first-start-ws6store-s-high-lift-asa-cam.html

Just posted it too!
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Old Sep 27, 2017 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bspeck82
Titan 3 cam ---- 3.23 friendly
SNS stage 2 cam ---- may want 3.73
Tsp 228R ---- may want 3.73
Tsp 224R ---- 3.23 friendly
Streetsweeper HT ---- may want 3.73
ws6stores improved GM hotcam ---- 3.23 friendly
Lunati 277/283 ---- 3.73s
Lunati 272-278 ---- 3.23s

Id rock the 3200-3600 converter. Less heat and slip.
Gears are just a recommendation. I wouldnt run 228 and up cams with 3.23s personally. But you can.
Our High Lift Hot Cam works with 2.73s also...but who wants them lol!

Thanks for the mention though! It really does mean something to see it mentioned at least!
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Old Sep 27, 2017 | 02:53 PM
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Titan 4, streetsweeper HT, SNS2

Since street manners is a concern I'd do the Titan 4. SNS2 pulls like a locomotive but takes effort to tune off idle more so than other cams in the thread that have been mentioned.

Ws6store Asa cam is in that same range too. I just have no direct experience with it.
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Old Sep 27, 2017 | 05:30 PM
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I have a very similar build.... took it a lot further now than I had planned, and now wish I went just a little bit bigger... but with basically those EXACT specs and thoughts in mind when I started the build, I called Texas Speed they recommended the 228/232 .600/.600" 112+2 cam they grind. This cam has outstanding street manners and the curve almost immediately makes power around 3500 rpm and stays damn near straight line steady through 6000rpm. Idle is choppy as hell and I'm very pleased. You will definitely be happy with it.
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Originally Posted by 00pooterSS
Slicks are easier on the rear than radials, they're lighter and absorb more shock through their softer construction.

As far as a cam.. The texas speed torquer cams would be a decent fit. Or a 228R to be a little on the milder and very broad power side. If you wanted to go to the bigger side a MS3 or 4 may be your thing. There's a lot of cams out there that seem to fit your criteria so it's pretty hard to narrow it to one. I listed 4 above and that's only from one manufacturer..
I came here to suggest exactly this. A TSP torquer for the choppy idle or a 228R for excellent street manners (114lsa). When I spent a yr here researching cams I learned a choppy idle sound comes from the valve overlap duration. Not necessarily the overall duration eg. no need for a massive t-rex cam for the muscle car sound. Also note a choppy idle leads to surge and misery on the street in traffic.
P.S best engine mod I've done smiles per dollar was a QTP electronic exhaust cutout. The car catches all the attention at cruise nights open cutout. It really amplifies the lope.
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Old Sep 30, 2017 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by PhoneniX
I came here to suggest exactly this. A TSP torquer for the choppy idle or a 228R for excellent street manners (114lsa). When I spent a yr here researching cams I learned a choppy idle sound comes from the valve overlap duration. Not necessarily the overall duration eg. no need for a massive t-rex cam for the muscle car sound. Also note a choppy idle leads to surge and misery on the street in traffic.
P.S best engine mod I've done smiles per dollar was a QTP electronic exhaust cutout. The car catches all the attention at cruise nights open cutout. It really amplifies the lope.
You can get a choppy idle from negative overlap also. The larger duration cams will have a lope also nearly regardles of overlap.
Our high lift hot cam has a good lope at idle and has -1* of overlap.
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I've been researching the last few days trying to decide. Man what a tough decision. I think I have it narrowed down to the tick sns stage 2 torquemax, or the streetsweeper ht. Probably will go ahead and replace gears with 3.73s. I called tsp and they recommended the tsunami v2, but I think that's a little big for a street strip weekend warrior that won't see many drag strip days per year. If I get one of these smaller cams I think ill order the cometic head gaskets to bring the compression up to 11:1. If I go to a bigger cam in think I will run into ptv issues with milling or a thinner head gasket. I'm running the 243 casting heads unported with only a fresh valve job. The sns stage 2 for the ls2 looks good to, as well as the regular streetsweeper. Opinions?
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Running a thinner gasket wont get you 11:1. You normally cant run thinner than .040 on an sbe due to the piston sitting above deck by .009ish. That def wont get you there.
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Anything in the 226/234 112-114 range would work well.

I'd do an SS3600 as it will be tight enough on the street with the 3.23s.
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