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Old 03-14-2018, 12:17 PM
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Default Spinning to 7k ocasionaly....stock rod bolts. Advice?

Hello fellas
Ok, I have a heads and cam setup that Makes power to 7200-7300 rpm that I知 about to install. I have all bolt ons and supporting mods. The valve train setup is made to support this. Now, I知 not gonna be spinning to 7k plus at everything stop light. I may do 3-4 events a year where I would try see 7000-7200rpm, mainly roll racing, a drag or two. I知 not gonna abuse it lol. Will my rod bolts be fine for this? I have some new arp2000 bolts that I can Throw in. But I知 being suggested by many to send my whole engine and have new bearings and rings installed and have rod bolts resized for the arp hardware. The motor has 4000 miles since I rebuilt it last January of 2017. Its not daily driven. It痴 an N/A setup for now. What are your suggestions?

Are my rod bolts fine for what I plan to do?
Or should I throw in the arp bolts on it? If so, can I just have them resize the rods , or do I need ro rebalance everything ? Thanks in advance guys. Truly appreciate it
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From memory the rod bolts on the '01+ LS1's were known to be a hair stronger than the older years.

I am not speaking from direct experience here...but years ago people used to just swap the stock bolts to ARP's in the car. 1 bolt at a time, so they did not pull out and resize the rods. It was CLAIMED to be ok using that method (try searching, there's gotta be a bunch of old threads about it).

In my non experienced opinion, I would probably go with swapping the rod bolts without resizing rather than try to get a stock '99 bottom end to last at 7k+. I know the GenIV stuff is stronger, but early Gen3 stuff people didn't like to spin to 7K.
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Originally Posted by NHRATA01
From memory the rod bolts on the '01+ LS1's were known to be a hair stronger than the older years.

I am not speaking from direct experience here...but years ago people used to just swap the stock bolts to ARP's in the car. 1 bolt at a time, so they did not pull out and resize the rods. It was CLAIMED to be ok using that method (try searching, there's gotta be a bunch of old threads about it).

In my non experienced opinion, I would probably go with swapping the rod bolts without resizing rather than try to get a stock '99 bottom end to last at 7k+. I know the GenIV stuff is stronger, but early Gen3 stuff people didn't like to spin to 7K.
Yeah I致e searched but there seems to be some controversy or different opinions about going about it. I really appreciate your suggestion
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So you don't actually peak power till 7000-7200?
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Originally Posted by 96darkhorse
Yeah I致e searched but there seems to be some controversy or different opinions about going about it. I really appreciate your suggestion
Unless that controversy was lots of pictures of failed rod bolts, then your reasons for worrying are a little ill-founded.
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Originally Posted by HCI2000SS
So you don't actually peak power till 7000-7200?
It peaks right at 7000rpm. Was told by rob zona it would be beneficial to spin
Past 7k. This is his old 9 sec setup. Looking at the dyno graph I was given, it peaks but stays flat till 7300. Then it slightly starts dipping
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
Unless that controversy was lots of pictures of failed rod bolts, then your reasons for worrying are a little ill-founded.
Yea your right. I知 just paranoid about it.
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Spint it you will be fine...I spin mine to 7k when I get it out. Mild cam/Tea LS6 heads, ported Fast,11:3.1...etc.
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Keep good oil in the motor, you will be fine. My car has over 500 passes at the track shifting at 71-7200.
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Originally Posted by 96darkhorse
It peaks right at 7000rpm. Was told by rob zona it would be beneficial to spin
Past 7k. This is his old 9 sec setup. Looking at the dyno graph I was given, it peaks but stays flat till 7300. Then it slightly starts dipping
What HCI do you have to be peaking at 7k like that. Almost all HCI LS1's I've seen peak in the 6200-6400 range regardless of cam and with a Fast intake. With that said, I think statistically speaking you will be fine spinning it that high once in a great while, but if it were me personally I would not feel comfortable doing that. Btw, what valve springs do you have and what cam?
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Not saying it's right or wrong but I'm well aware of the consequences but I spin mine to 7000 rpms on stock '98 rod bolts constantly

I peak around 6800 rpms

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worked on TEA CNC TFS 215 heads @59cc, ti valves
Anger management custom cam on a cam motion core ( mid to high 23xs duration, .630, 113.5)
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Thinking of just installing the arp bolts per arp instructions. Should I have any issues after doing that?
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I wouldn't bother with the rod bolts. I have as countless others spun them to 7k + for a long time with no issues
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But I don't see how that set up could peak at 7k? Smaller cam and a fast 92?
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I tried 6900 shift points and car slowed down. But I have small cam and Fast
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What are your cam specs mike?
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So I decided to skip the bolts. I forgot to mention that my motor had been rebuilt. Nothing crazy. Justa standard rebuilt with oem parts. It has only 4500 miles right now. So I like my motors chances at 7k rpm



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