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Old 07-23-2018, 07:08 PM
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Yeah the 9" rear is gonna eat power, but the HCI will obviously gain. I'd totally forget dyno numbers, and compare before and after trap speed.
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Originally Posted by HCI2000SS
Yeah the 9" rear is gonna eat power, but the HCI will obviously gain. I'd totally forget dyno numbers, and compare before and after trap speed.
I really want a 125mph trap speed in good air. Would be tough in a full weight WS6, but I'm going to try. Cam may hold me back a bit, but that'd make it even sweeter. Should have excellent street manners too.
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Originally Posted by Tang2
I really want a 125mph trap speed in good air. Would be tough in a full weight WS6, but I'm going to try. Cam may hold me back a bit, but that'd make it even sweeter. Should have excellent street manners too.
If you hit 125 at full weight and with those big 18's I'll be impressed. Did you ever end up running the current setup?
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Originally Posted by HCI2000SS
If you hit 125 at full weight and with those big 18's I'll be impressed. Did you ever end up running the current setup?
I'll do a drag setup if I have to, but I've always been a fan of running it with the setup I use on the street. I always run a drag radial, and my wheels are actually pretty light. Fronts are less than 18 pounds and rears are just about 20.

No I didn't. Every time I should be ready something comes up. Last fall and this spring we're lost to the drivetrain upgrades. If my valves had been good I would have run it soon. Not worth risking a valve failure at this point.
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Originally Posted by Tang2
I'll do a drag setup if I have to, but I've always been a fan of running it with the setup I use on the street. I always run a drag radial, and my wheels are actually pretty light. Fronts are less than 18 pounds and rears are just about 20.

No I didn't. Every time I should be ready something comes up. Last fall and this spring we're lost to the drivetrain upgrades. If my valves had been good I would have run it soon. Not worth risking a valve failure at this point.
I guess at bare minimum you could try and hit the same dyno for a comparison. Although I've seen one big shop dyno that I know, vary all over the place. One month or year it reads high, and then low months or years later lol. Not real common but it does happen.

I'd definitely see what it runs with the current tires and wheels first. That way you can compare it to a drag setup, and decide weather it's worth it or not to you
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I have the BTR stage 2 cam which has similar specs and it drives great.
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Well I forgot to mention it was a unported fast 90mm on the car, 228R cam,12 bolt rear, TFS 220s by Tooley, Viglante 3600 stall. Car made 450 rwhp on the money on a mustang dyno. With a 102mm intake and a M6 I see 470 plus happening. I'll put money on it.
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That cam.does very well for Geoff in trickflow combos.
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Originally Posted by wannafbody
I have the BTR stage 2 cam which has similar specs and it drives great.
I considered that and the stage 3 as well. Good cams. I have to say, with all the cams available today it's a really hard decision. I know the popular thing to do is to have one custom specd, but in looking at what people were historically given as custom cams, it seems that most have become shelf grinds, haha!

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That cam.does very well for Geoff in trickflow combos.
I saw one thread with this cam using TFS 215's and loved what I saw. It's almost hard to believe...until I remember that it was Geoff who sold me a TR224 back in 2001 that made 391rwhp cam only. I couldn't believe what his cams could do 17 years ago. Crazy!

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Well I forgot to mention it was a unported fast 90mm on the car, 228R cam,12 bolt rear, TFS 220s by Tooley, Viglante 3600 stall. Car made 450 rwhp on the money on a mustang dyno. With a 102mm intake and a M6 I see 470 plus happening. I'll put money on it.
I will do my best to make that a reality!

What do you guys think about the tune? Should I try to run a MAF or go SD? If a MAF, is there one you'd recommend?
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The car I mentioned earlier has a MAF but guys go always go have they personal opinion on MAF VS SD. Tooley once good me for max power go SD.....
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Originally Posted by Tuskyz28
The car I mentioned earlier has a MAF but guys go always go have they personal opinion on MAF VS SD. Tooley once good me for max power go SD.....
Interesting. I've heard throttle response and max power is better with SD, but I'm not sure it's enough to be worth the trade-off. I'm in many various elevations and the weather takes pretty dramatic swings through the seasons here in Michigan. I'd be a bit worried about dialing in an SD tune in the fall only to run into issues in the heat of the summer.
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Or you can run a blended tune. Mine is SD till around 3500 rpm then MAF the rest of the way
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Originally Posted by HCI2000SS
Or you can run a blended tune. Mine is SD till around 3500 rpm then MAF the rest of the way
What MAF you running?
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Originally Posted by tuskyz28
what maf you running?
ls6 maf
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If I run a MAF it'll likely just be the 85mm Z06/truck one. Hio ran that prior to his current intake setup with a lot of success.

On another note; I'm told some parts showed up at the house today. I'll upload a few pictures when I get home. Nothing too fun yet, it'll probably be 4 weeks or so before I get the heads and FAST 102. I'll probably start tearing things down in the next week to get the ball rolling. I will be selling my LS6 intake with ported stock TB, the GTP ported heads and the Thunder Racing cam. More on that after I get everything disassembled and have a chance to look it all over.
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Originally Posted by Tang2
If I run a MAF it'll likely just be the 85mm Z06/truck one. Hio ran that prior to his current intake setup with a lot of success.

On another note; I'm told some parts showed up at the house today. I'll upload a few pictures when I get home. Nothing too fun yet, it'll probably be 4 weeks or so before I get the heads and FAST 102. I'll probably start tearing things down in the next week to get the ball rolling. I will be selling my LS6 intake with ported stock TB, the GTP ported heads and the Thunder Racing cam. More on that after I get everything disassembled and have a chance to look it all over.
I really wanna see what the tooley touch up looks like, but you'd need to have a valve out.. bummer.
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Going to be a fun ride!! The power bug has been nipping away at me lately and now that the Fab9" is in and 95% of the kinks are worked out, I really want to go aftermarket heads. I have a excel sheet up with all the different head flow numbers (I know flow numbers are just like dyno numbers) and at the top of my list are the TFS and Mamo heads. Will be cool to watch your progress.
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Originally Posted by Chrisingermany
Going to be a fun ride!! The power bug has been nipping away at me lately and now that the Fab9" is in and 95% of the kinks are worked out, I really want to go aftermarket heads. I have a excel sheet up with all the different head flow numbers (I know flow numbers are just like dyno numbers) and at the top of my list are the TFS and Mamo heads. Will be cool to watch your progress.
Its a 800 dollar difference between the two
..... for the money Tooley can't be beat. Mamo heads are 3200 without him touching them. Basically a mill job and a hollow stem.
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For that difference in cost I need to seriously look into BTR stuff. Honestly I know he does some awesome cams and springs but as silly as this sounds I never even really thought to look at him for cylinder head stuff.
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Originally Posted by Tang2
I can't imagine anyone could have ported 853's better. With a TR227 cam I put down 421 rwhp using them. I was hesitant to replace them, but they're milled .030 so my cam options have been pretty limited without fly cutting.

Don't laugh but this was years ago. He ported my cast iron GT40s. I didn't mill them since I knew when I had money I would run boost. I went 12.9 110 on street radials with a 302 n/a car at 3200 pounds and 3.55 gears(I was going 13.4 prior to that at about 103ish). Then with fuel,a tune and 8psi Powerdyne I went 11.7 124 MPH on pump gas on street radials. He was the man back then for 5.0 guys like me.
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