ok well i decided to go start my car and it started made some knocking noises for 2 seconds and died, wouldnt start back. checked oil, level was real high?? checked radiator, no water. pulled drain plug and i found the water and the oil. is it possibly a head gasket or cracked head or somthing else??? it ran fine saturday(last time i drove it since allen nelson custom tune) what could have caused this to happen?? Info would be helpfull, i guess i will pull the heads of tonight,

 

Wow, that truely blows. I just had a head gasket go out on me, but my car didn't die like yours did. I was able to actually drive it down the the mechanic. That's some bad feelings comming out of that story. Good Luck man.

 

could it possibly have spun a rod bearing to make the knocking noise and thats why it woulnd start back?

 

Last time mine did that, I had a slow headgasket leak.
Filled up a cylinder with water overnight and it couldn't crank over.

Don't crank anymore or you could bend a rod or more likely just damage a rod bearing.

 

water doesnt compress... If water is in your engine then you may have pretty much snapped your internals. (Been there done that)

 

ok well i pulled my drivers side back spark( #8??) plug out and it was beat down into the spark plug??? im guessing this problem is real bad, i have the heads ready to come off as soon as i cut the headers loose from the y-pipe

 

anyone ever had this happen before??

 

ok well i got the heads off, OUCH, #8 cyl is beat to hell, the head of the valve broke off and put a whole through the head and filled the cyl up with water. should i check the bottom end out for more damage?? anyways i called the guys and patriot and so far the customer service seems to be great, they offered to fix the head for me, so that will save a little money,

 

Sounds like you need to do a complete tear down. there might be more damage in there.

 

Did the spring break on that valve? What caused the valve to bend?

 

The Valve isnt bent, its broken! the spring is fine, this was the first issue of patriot heads with the bad valves i have been hearing about i guess, anyways patriot is supposed to be fixxing the problem for me, great customer service so far

 

well i got to lokking at the broken piston and i pulled a piece out of the middle and i stuck my finger through to see if anything under it was damaged, well i didnt feel anything so i tried to pull on the piston, it came right on out and crumbled into a glob or broken metal, the rod broke off it at the wrist pin, i havent found the rod yet, guess its probly in the block!!

 

Dude, there is bound to be more damage internally. Pull the pan, and check the rods and crank journals for scarring. How does a valve just break? What kind of springs are you running to pull a valve up with enough force to snap it? I have never heard of this before.

 

Was there any noise from inside before this? Sounds an aweful lot like you spun a rod bearing - but you typically will hear the signs of that coming.
Dan

 

Can we have some pictures please?

 

The valve probably broke after the rod let loose and smashed into it. Just a guess.

 

Sounds like Coolent washed the bearings.

 

i will get some pics up here in a bit, i was running the patriot dual gold springs. dont exactly know what happend,