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Old 03-08-2020, 12:25 PM
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Measured my pushrod length and came up with zero lash consistently at 7.4. I trust the measurements since everyone I checked was consistently 12 turns out on the comp cams tool at zero lash. So a 7.475 pushrod will give me 0.075 preload. Setup is ls3 short block, unmilled 241 heads, ls9 gaskets, custom cammotion cam, ls7 lifters and ws6store max effort rockers.

I'm confident enough in the measurements and know that it is what it is even if unusual length so I went ahead and ordered a set of Summit 11/32 .120 wall 7.475 pushrods. I'm just the kind of person that wants to know why? So after thinking a while the only thing I can come up with is the base circle of the cam is possibly smaller?

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The base circle of the cam is smaller than what? The stock cam? Yea. The average cam? You're right, it is what it is, as long as you didn't have the lifter plunger pushed down when measuring.

I would suggest not using the LS7 lifters, not even knowing the cam specs, but if you have 11/32 pushrods you must have reason. Those lifters aren't the best choice by far. Sure people have used them but now is the time to think about cheaping out.
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Originally Posted by Jays_SSZ28
The base circle of the cam is smaller than what? The stock cam? Yea. The average cam? You're right, it is what it is, as long as you didn't have the lifter plunger pushed down when measuring.

I would suggest not using the LS7 lifters, not even knowing the cam specs, but if you have 11/32 pushrods you must have reason. Those lifters aren't the best choice by far. Sure people have used them but now is the time to think about cheaping out.
They aren't the "best" lifters, but they should be fine for what I'm doing. Even Cammotion themselves said they would be fine for what I'm doing. When I pulled my stock motor apart a found a few pushrods that were bent. I think this was from an over rev when I blew the tires off (650+ rwhp at the time on street tires in cool temps). So I decided if I'm buying any way to go ahead and use 11/32 pushrods.

I wasn't putting pressure down on the length tool. I would put a pushrod on the exhaust lifter and rotate the crank until it started to push up. Then I would pull it out and put it on the intake lifter to lightly push it down back onto the base circle. Then sit the tool in place and hand tighten the rocker down. Zero lash was always at 7.4. I checked 3 intakes and 1 exhaust on one bank then 2 intakes and one exhaust on the other bank and got the same measurement every time so I called it good.

Slightly thicker head gaskets and slightly smaller base circle ended up in a 0.075 longer pushrod than stock to achieve 0.075 preload. Just curious if my thinking behind why this is the case is correct because I don't build motors regularly and some people on here do. As far as parts selection I don't want to get into that debate. I chose the parts I did based upon budget and everyone I purchased from I trusted what input they gave me. That is why I chose them when I made purchases.
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Probably just the combination of stuff. Unmilled heads vs most everyone in here running heads milled 020-030, short base circle, thicker gasket. The rocket cups might be slightly deeper. Every little thing adds up.
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I ended up with 7.4 pushrods on LS7 lifter, unmilled 243 heads and a BTR stage 2 cam. I think the head gaskets were GM mls.

Are LS7 lifters noisy? My engine sounds louder than I'd prefer but it runs good.
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Sounds like a loud sewing machine. I think it's normal.
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I've ended up needing 7.5" pushrods with OEM gaskets and unmilled heads.

It is what it is. If you trust that you did your measurements correctly, then order the pushrods you need.
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Situations like yours are why we introduced the HDR . 025 increment pushrods. Simply put, more of our customers are getting better with their measurements and want to set preload on kill to avoid oil aeration and extend rpm.
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Originally Posted by Summitracing
Situations like yours are why we introduced the HDR . 025 increment pushrods. Simply put, more of our customers are getting better with their measurements and want to set preload on kill to avoid oil aeration and extend rpm.
Ordered your 11/32 .120 wall 7.475 length pushrods just before bed on Sunday night and had them when I got home from work on Tuesday. Same fast shipping I've learned to expect from you guys. Got them installed along with ws6store max effort rockers.



Long block is now done and ready to drop in the car...

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I just measured mine this morning for my rebuilt LS1 I need 2.275" hard to find especially in 11/32, this is with .025" off heads and .002 off block and a base circle on cam of 1.795"
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Originally Posted by TimsLS1
I just measured mine this morning for my rebuilt LS1 I need 2.275" hard to find especially in 11/32, this is with .025" off heads and .002 off block and a base circle on cam of 1.795"
I'm guessing that's a typo and you meant 4.275?
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Originally Posted by BCNUL8R
I'm guessing that's a typo and you meant 4.275?
I meant 7.275 sorry for mistake, I wanted to use 11/32 thicker pushrods but I don't think there are any available in that length.
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Originally Posted by TimsLS1
I meant 7.275 sorry for mistake, I wanted to use 11/32 thicker pushrods but I don't think there are any available in that length.
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LOL...after your typo then I made a typo as well.
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Originally Posted by BCNUL8R
They aren't the "best" lifters, but they should be fine for what I'm doing. Even Cammotion themselves said they would be fine for what I'm doing. When I pulled my stock motor apart a found a few pushrods that were bent. I think this was from an over rev when I blew the tires off (650+ rwhp at the time on street tires in cool temps). So I decided if I'm buying any way to go ahead and use 11/32 pushrods.

I wasn't putting pressure down on the length tool. I would put a pushrod on the exhaust lifter and rotate the crank until it started to push up. Then I would pull it out and put it on the intake lifter to lightly push it down back onto the base circle. Then sit the tool in place and hand tighten the rocker down. Zero lash was always at 7.4. I checked 3 intakes and 1 exhaust on one bank then 2 intakes and one exhaust on the other bank and got the same measurement every time so I called it good.

Slightly thicker head gaskets and slightly smaller base circle ended up in a 0.075 longer pushrod than stock to achieve 0.075 preload. Just curious if my thinking behind why this is the case is correct because I don't build motors regularly and some people on here do. As far as parts selection I don't want to get into that debate. I chose the parts I did based upon budget and everyone I purchased from I trusted what input they gave me. That is why I chose them when I made purchases.
If your final numbers are achieved by counting turns then you need to take .010 off that number to compensate for the "gauge" length method comp uses.
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Originally Posted by Bspeck82
If your final numbers are achieved by counting turns then you need to take .010 off that number to compensate for the "gauge" length method comp uses.
It's together and in the car now so I'm going to run it. Some people go to .100 and others recommend .050 preload with ls7 lifters. I'm at .075 to .080 so it should be fine.
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Originally Posted by BCNUL8R
It's together and in the car now so I'm going to run it. Some people go to .100 and others recommend .050 preload with ls7 lifters. I'm at .075 to .080 so it should be fine.
Ls7 lifters are forgiving. Most people don't even measure. I'm sure you will be fine.
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I came up with 7.375" for my push rods, using untouched 799 heads, elgin cam, felpro head gaskests.

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Initial start up today. Instant oil pressure and quiet valve train.
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Originally Posted by BCNUL8R
Initial start up today. Instant oil pressure and quiet valve train.
Awesome!! Glad to hear it.
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Awesome!! Glad to hear it.
Thank you. This forum and it's members helped me a lot. I read books on tuning and building LS engines along with lots of reading/asking questions here and that is how I learned everything. I'm going to change the oil today and dust her off then start breaking her in and street tuning.
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