267kbird

I am wondering if anyone can give me some insight on my situation. I have an 02 ls1 I have the ms4 cam and 243 heads my heads will be coming back from the shop in a few days I'm going to measure ptv clearance first thing but from what I have learned is more than likely I will have to fly cut to be safe. My question is can I use a different ls head other than 243 or 241 head to use the lindy fly cutting tool? What I mean is or the valve angles the same? Or do I have to disassemble my heads and use the lindy tool in them to fly cut??

98CayenneT/A

Yes you can use your 241 heads to cut valve reliefs

Launch

Yes any cathedral head from a 5.3 / 5.7 / 6.0 will be the same valve placement and angles, so you can grab an old head from somewhere and use that to do the fly cuts instead of using your heads.

267kbird

OK thank you my heads were milled .007 would that even been enough to factor in?

98CayenneT/A

with that cam you absolutely have to measure.
Here is a nice easy way to measure.
Piston to valve measuring

267kbird

Yes I am going to measure forsure. Just asking if the .007 would make for a slight different angle then the junk head i will use well i guess I won't no if this other head has been milled either.

267kbird

I think either way the cutter are.45 wider radius than the valve i will use so I will just double check. Is there certain procedure to doing it or just put piston up to head and cut?

Che70velle

iTrader: (6)

You are cutting the pistons in block, as in assembled shortblock, yes?

267kbird

Yes. In the car

Che70velle

iTrader: (6)

Ive done this, but never in the car. Oooof, that will suck. I brought my pistons up to TDC using a deck bridge and indicator. Now...depending on camshaft, you might have the least ptv a few degrees off of tdc, but I’ve found that tdc works fine. Use the empty spare head. Use a little oil in the guides, with the cutting tool. A 1/2 drill will tend to chatter less than a 3/8 drill will. I have used both, and the results are the same, after you debur the cut piston with 300 grit sandpaper. Some folks will tape up the area after finding the cylinders tdc. I have taped up before, but I have also not taped up and simply cleaned well. The chips and dust will get down into the area above the top ring and is hard to clean. I use a shop vac and compressed air. Set the stop on the tool, and then use a new sharpie to mark, or use tape below the stop, to see if the stop has moved during the process. Take your time. First one is a little unnerving, but after you get it, you’ll find it’s not too bad.

SLP IROC-Z

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I was going to fly cut mine then i bought tfs heads and clayed it. Theres far more ptv with the tfs heads. With 243s i would have had to cut unless i wanted less than desirable compression, even then it would have been tight.

FourthGenCamaro

Something worth mentioning that I'm surprised no one suggested.

The Cutters on the Lindy tool can sometimes touch the piston if you install the head with the piston at TDC. Thats not good.
Sometimes you may need to install the head, start the drill that drives the cutter and with the cutter resting on the collet rotate the engine to TDC.

Depends on the engine, piston, deck height, valve angle, head gasket thickness, Some people think you don't need a head gasket to flycut, this makes the clearance less.

td1168

iTrader: (2)

I ran the MS4 with stock 241’s and had no issue with PTV clearance. You should definitely check the PTV clearance but I doubt you are going to have to fly cut unless someone milled an excessive amount off your heads.

SLP IROC-Z

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what were your numbers?

td1168

iTrader: (2)

I did this 8 years ago and didn’t write the numbers down.

jlangley

iTrader: (8)

I used a dial indicator and degree wheel to check my ptv clearance first. I noted where the clearance was smallest and cut the reliefs at that location. ie: Intake was closest at 8 atdc so that's where I put the piston to cut. I used shims to mimic the head gasket thickness I intend to run. Every 90 degrees of rotation there will be two pistons at the correct location.

Wouldn't want to do this job in the car though. I had mine on an engine stand. I slipped a large clear bag over the engine before cutting. I cleaned up after each cut and then taped the hole up before proceeding.

FourthGenCamaro

Also not suggested. Smear a thin layer of grease around the cylinder so when you bring the piston to TDC it fills the gap above the top ring. Gap full of grease- no metal gets in. Grease will also burn off fairly quick when the engine is started.

267kbird

I appreciate the comments I'm going to fly cut. So I can run smaller gasket and maybe mill a bit more. The machine shop just put bigger valves in heads. 2.02 . 1.57. So I'm going to get the right size from lindy . So should I do it with my headgasket on? I'm assuming I will have to use my good heads to do it since I will have bigger valves then an old junk ls head?

267kbird

Does any body have any step by step to fly cut on ls1 specifically since the piston supposedly sticks out a bit. I have ls1 ms4 cam.

LilJayV10

iTrader: (39)

Its the same as any other engine. Degree your cam. check PTV properly, cut accordingly.