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Old 12-21-2020, 11:37 AM
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Just wondering how much (ballpark) HP can i gain by switching to CNC ported 243/799 heads.

Fresh LQ9, 317 heads
1 7/8 headers
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54lb injectors
Cam motion Titan 4 cam
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.612"/.595"
113 Lobe Center Angle with a 109 Intake Centerline

Circle D 245mm 3400 stall

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20 housepower
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Originally Posted by Kfxguy
20 housepower
That's it?? I thought it would be more like 40-50.
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Originally Posted by EddieK
That's it?? I thought it would be more like 40-50.
well then 40-50. (Not likely).
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Originally Posted by Kfxguy
well then 40-50. (Not likely).
I just thought that more compression, more flow, better combustion chamber would equal to little more than 20hp.
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On a turbo setup I gained 3MPH going from 317 to 862’s no other changes.
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You're not picking up 40 or 50hp from a head swap on that setup when you're running a stock intake manifold.
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About 15 being head flow is very similar with main thing being going from 71 to 65ccs. With that cam, I would definitely mill and run Cometic 40 gaskets for increased compression. This will make you more power everywhere.
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Originally Posted by EddieK
I just thought that more compression, more flow, better combustion chamber would equal to little more than 20hp.
do and see? Picking up is better than not picking up, right? As long as you are headed in the right direction, dew it.
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I went from stock ls1 heads (don’t remember which ones) to ported 243’s and I felt, meh. I guess it helped. The cam definitely helped more than the heads.
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Originally Posted by Kfxguy
I went from stock ls1 heads (don’t remember which ones) to ported 243’s and I felt, meh. I guess it helped. The cam definitely helped more than the heads.
It may be possible the heads needed the bigger cam to realize their full potential.
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
It may be possible the heads needed the bigger cam to realize their full potential.
I may have worded that wrong. I did the cam first. Made a pretty good difference. I expected more from the heads. Maybe 20hp if I had to guess. I just remember that was a lot of work and money for such little gain. The heads flowed over 300 at .600 on the intake and like 230 on the exhaust. Think it was 226-227cfm. Really good low lift and mid lift numbers. I think at that point, heads weren’t badly needed, although they helped, it just wasn’t worth the effort/cost at the time. Would I do it again? Yea, because I’m a dummy. It all adds up but I don’t think 50rwhp worth like the op is thinking. But hey, I could be wrong. Do it and see!
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I generally like the advice given by some to just mainly concentrate on smoothing and blending the bowl areas, plus a good multi-angle grind on both valves and seats. It has been mentioned that just the mentioned steps comprise 80-90% of gains to be had with porting, as those areas are the weakest flow areas in a stock head/valve setup.
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Sell your 317 heads and get a pair of 243 heads. That will bring your compression up which adds torque even in stock form. If you get a ported a set of 243s you'll gain even more.
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Have your 317 heads decked about.030 and save you a lot of money especially if your staying n/a
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Originally Posted by SoCalDave
Sell your 317 heads and get a pair of 243 heads. That will bring your compression up which adds torque even in stock form. If you get a ported a set of 243s you'll gain even more.
That is exactly what he is doing he just wants to know how much hp he will gain.
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If Fontana was open, I would give time slip comparisons. Irwindale should open in 2021 so I'll take my '01 with ported 243 heads there to compare my times. I'll share then.
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Ports are the same between 243 and 317, the difference is the smaller chamber on the 243.
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The reason you have your heads ported by someone/CNC is because it addresses the major pinch-points in the head. Usually the throat is a major pinch-point which improves flow and adds significant power. Bigger throat on intake and exhaust and more compression will add quite a bit of power to your 6.0 liter.
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