Any Big Blocks in 4th Gen Daily drivers?
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lol im glad to see im not the only big block person on this site..ive had 355s 383s built h/c ls1s. but one thing i cant get over is the raw tq a bbc easily makes
. ill never go back to sbc
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Originally Posted by FASTONE
Did you put it on a dyno? Running 11.30 in a 1st gen CAMARO about 3000 lbs is not 550 rwhp,you didn't have that much under the hood!!Good thing you shifted at 6000 cause any more and you have a spun main bearing or massive valve float from the heavy bb parts.A427 bb won"t run with a 346 ls1, your 454 wouldn"t run with a 346 ls1.You can"t build a 550 bigblock for less then 6 or 7 grand, you"ll spend 2 grand just on machinework!What cam did you have in that bad boy,prove me wrong! ![The Jester](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_jest.gif)
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2. 2K for machine work!!!! try about $215.00
bored out .125" $100,
cranked turned 10/10 $60,
acid dipped block $35,
line bore checked $20 (didnt need to be bored)
3. why will would i spin bearings. I never seen that problem with BBCs before. considering that all the bearings are also bigger, they are stronger in this area. on the dyno i spun it over 7k.
4. the cam was a solid flat tappet 260/270 at .050. and no, on a BBC that is not too much. it cost me $160 or so I dont remember but my LS1 cam cost $400. in the whole motor I had about 2k in it, but I did all the assemble my self with saved money.
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I think the ultimate setup would be about a 540 CI w/Fuel Injection tuned with a F.A.S.T. or Accel DFI ![Winky](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_wink.gif)
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Originally Posted by lees02WS6
If only you could use aluminum instead of heavy iron, ah here we go http://www.gmpartsdepot.com/store/pr...Category_ID=27
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http://www.zlx.com/camaro/zl1.htm
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Originally Posted by FASTONE
Bigblock parts cheaper the smallblock?????Let me see you make a 550 rwhp bigblock that you can drive everyday,won"t happen!!!
You can buy them making with more HP from GM with a warranty......
Try that with an LS1....Won't happen.
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Thats an old press release. Just before the ZL1 was retired we put a 4.56 rear axle in it with a single sintered iron clutch. It went 9.33 @ 148 with just me in it and 9.55 @ 145 with a passenger.
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Originally Posted by 427
Thats an old press release. Just before the ZL1 was retired we put a 4.56 rear axle in it with a single sintered iron clutch. It went 9.33 @ 148 with just me in it and 9.55 @ 145 with a passenger.
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Originally Posted by 01-Z
Maybe Pro stocks will switch to LS1's.
This thread is funny.
This thread is funny.
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I wonder how an LS1 would hold up to nitro methane........
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I am glad you guys love your bigblocks,I guess I pissed a lot of you off lastnight!And I"M sorry THAT I DID, really!Just tring to get some good responses and that I did, you guys made your point but I"d still take a smallblock or gen 3.But the question was bigblock in 4th gen?And yes I did see one and it ran a 5.45 at like 127 mph,it was 540 rated at 695 hp build by Shafiroff cost about 15 grand with the N.O. and fuelinjection,this setup was put together by a local speedshop that knows what they"re doing and the 95 Camaro was awsome to watch!!!But on the same night late model Mustangs with 390 strokers running N.O. were going just as quick and with carbs.After about 3 weeks of racing the 540 was for sell on this site that was in that car.
Like I said lastnight I"ve seen pro-mods running 700 plus ci motors with nitrous in 2200 lb cars and they are unreal to watch I will admit!They were running 4.45 at like 175 mph,but on the same night I saw a 95 Mustang full bodied street car with a turboed Chevy smallblock run like 4.65 and it was street legal probably 3000 lbs plus.Oh BTW that was on 10.5 inch ET drags not 16 wide like pro-mods run.
Some of you have fast bigblocks and I'm glad you love them,thats the good thing about hot rodding you can build what you like and the hell with what anybody thinks includind me!!!Again I"ll say I didn"t mean to ti.
I guess there are places where the old bigblock still rules!!!
ck you guys off about the bigblocks,I was interested in building a 540 with fuel injection before I found out about the LS1 and how they can crank out the hp
Like I said lastnight I"ve seen pro-mods running 700 plus ci motors with nitrous in 2200 lb cars and they are unreal to watch I will admit!They were running 4.45 at like 175 mph,but on the same night I saw a 95 Mustang full bodied street car with a turboed Chevy smallblock run like 4.65 and it was street legal probably 3000 lbs plus.Oh BTW that was on 10.5 inch ET drags not 16 wide like pro-mods run.
Some of you have fast bigblocks and I'm glad you love them,thats the good thing about hot rodding you can build what you like and the hell with what anybody thinks includind me!!!Again I"ll say I didn"t mean to ti.
I guess there are places where the old bigblock still rules!!!
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BBC 540ci 10.5-1 compression, pump gas motor, 695 fwhp, $8995
BBC 598ci 10.5-1 compression, pump gas motor, 755 fwhp, $10500
http://www.shafiroff.com/ultrastreet.asp
if bothering to build a drag car..........thats WAY cheaper than using the ls1/ls6 platform.
BBC 598ci 10.5-1 compression, pump gas motor, 755 fwhp, $10500
http://www.shafiroff.com/ultrastreet.asp
if bothering to build a drag car..........thats WAY cheaper than using the ls1/ls6 platform.
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Originally Posted by FASTONE
And yes I did see one and it ran a 5.45 at like 127 mph,it was 540 rated at 695 hp build by Shafiroff cost about 15 grand with the N.O. and fuelinjection,this setup was put together by a local speedshop that knows what they"re doing and the 95 Camaro was awsome to watch!!!But on the same night late model Mustangs with 390 strokers running N.O. were going just as quick and with carbs.After about 3 weeks of racing the 540 was for sell on this site that was in that car.
that was brady from teamprick racing, and they sold the BBC cause theyre doing a huge turbo build up..............nothing wrong with the motor they had... (pics here http://www.teamprickracing.com/bigblock )...it ran 9.55 @ 145 on its shakedown runs without everything even being dialed in perfect.
theres no reason for the fuel injection, so that same motor goes for $8995 + $995 for carb + $395 for ignition, thats $10385.........i dont know of any LS1/LS6 cars running mid 9's for $10g's.
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I was just repeating what I was told by the car owner(dollarwise),I was very impressed with the car and glad to see a Chevy running against the Mustangs that rule that class.The car only made like 4 trips to that track and never came back.I never said anything negative about that car as it was very well done and I enjoyed talking to all the guys that worked on it.
Anyway the motor that was in the car was indeed for sale on this site.But you have the right car from teamprick racing.
Anyway the motor that was in the car was indeed for sale on this site.But you have the right car from teamprick racing.
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BB are cool, always liked them. BUT what are alot of people putting in there street rods? (LS1's) And since none of us are racing top fuel or pro stock, well those other commets mean nothing. LS1's are the cats ***. Power to weight ratio, mpg. Could a all out BBC make more power than a LS1, yes. Would I ever put a BBC in my car? Not in a million years. Technology in a LS1 is unreal. BBC guys have to give credit where credit is due. Think about what a bone stock 346 LS1 runs at the track, getting 30 mpg. Both engines have there right applications. Each person has to make there own decision.
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Thanks LASTLS1,You"re 100 percent right the ls1 design is lightyears ahead of the bigblock,the only advantage it has is cubic inches and its a good thing cause it needs about 100 cubes extra to run with a smallblock or ls1.Thats like Vinces new 408 ironblock 570 plus rwhp and he drove it 800 miles back to Fla.GOT LIKE 24 MPG thats unreal.
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Here is a real life example for you all:
My old motor 346ci H/C: 510 FWHP
Motor Cost: $5000
My 2002 SS- 3300 # RW, ET: 10.60 @ 126 MPH
Friends old motor 496ci BBC: 550 FWHP
Motor Cost: ??
His 67 Nova Race Car- 3000 # RW, ET: 10.50 @ 127 MPH
My friend is a mechanic and owns a speed shop, we bracket race together and also race NHRA Super Street. During a race last year his old motor, 496ci BBC went out on him. At the same time I also sold my motor and started putting together a new 346ci SR LS1. We spent roughly the same amount of $ on our new motors. Now were we used to run close to the same ET he is in a completely different league than me now. Take a look:
My new motor 346ci H/C Solid Roller: 640 FWHP
Motor Cost: $9,900
My 2002 SS- 3300 # RW, ET: 10.16 @ 132 MPH
Friends new motor 555ci BBC: 950 FWHP
Motor Cost: $10,000
His 67 Nova Race Car- 3000 # RW, ET: 9.05 @ 145 MPH
After seeing what that BBC chevy of his put out for the $$ I am thinking of going this route with my next motor. Now I know he doesn't drive his car on the street but neither do I. Just wanted to give you all some food for thought.
PS. both of our motors always run N/A.
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My old motor 346ci H/C: 510 FWHP
Motor Cost: $5000
My 2002 SS- 3300 # RW, ET: 10.60 @ 126 MPH
Friends old motor 496ci BBC: 550 FWHP
Motor Cost: ??
His 67 Nova Race Car- 3000 # RW, ET: 10.50 @ 127 MPH
My friend is a mechanic and owns a speed shop, we bracket race together and also race NHRA Super Street. During a race last year his old motor, 496ci BBC went out on him. At the same time I also sold my motor and started putting together a new 346ci SR LS1. We spent roughly the same amount of $ on our new motors. Now were we used to run close to the same ET he is in a completely different league than me now. Take a look:
My new motor 346ci H/C Solid Roller: 640 FWHP
Motor Cost: $9,900
My 2002 SS- 3300 # RW, ET: 10.16 @ 132 MPH
Friends new motor 555ci BBC: 950 FWHP
Motor Cost: $10,000
His 67 Nova Race Car- 3000 # RW, ET: 9.05 @ 145 MPH
After seeing what that BBC chevy of his put out for the $$ I am thinking of going this route with my next motor. Now I know he doesn't drive his car on the street but neither do I. Just wanted to give you all some food for thought.
PS. both of our motors always run N/A.
Lee
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Originally Posted by FASTONE
got hp? I was just looking at the pics that you posted, do you think a Holley would fit as the TB is cut way into the firewall?
im sure there are other intake manifolds you could use that have a lower overall height.......might make it possible to use a carb.
i know there are carbed setups in many 4th gens, but im pretty sure they all use a large cowl hood to make it fit.