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Old 07-19-2004, 02:04 PM
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I was curious if anyone had anything like this. That'd be very interesting.
Old 07-19-2004, 02:16 PM
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as long as you could get away with pump gas and its not too loud i think its streetable
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there is a 502 in a 94 or so camaro around the central florida area

drives it to shows and stuff, not sure if its a DD or not, but its drivable.

Ryan
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IT can be done but its a tight squeeze the distributer on the back of intake is impossible to get to.There was a silver 4TH gen Camaro with 540 with fuel injection and N.O. it ran a like a 5.45 at about 125 mph it was just awsome,pulled the front wheels past the 60 ft mark,this is 1\8 mile of course.
I"d rather have a big cube ls1,it would eat that bigblock!!!
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Lets put GM's ZZ572 in my 98
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Did you guys see where Popular Hotrodding put a 572 GM crate motor in like a 2300 2nd gen Camaro racecar, it ran 9.92 or something like that,I wasn"t impressed,it may have been low 10"s.Bigblocks are dogs to keep running right.How about 5-6 mpg at $2.00 a gallon.
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For the same money, a big-block will dominate a small-block. Parts are cheaper for the bbc than the ls1 hands down.
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Bigblock parts cheaper the smallblock?????Let me see you make a 550 rwhp bigblock that you can drive everyday,won"t happen!!!
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Originally Posted by FASTONE
Bigblock parts cheaper the smallblock?????Let me see you make a 550 rwhp bigblock that you can drive everyday,won"t happen!!!
That is not even a challenging proposition.
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He cant be serious, MANY 550rwhp big blocks that could be DD, but 99% of BBC's in cars older men drive them as toys and dont WANT or need to drive them everyday because they are show cars..

would you WANT to drive a 550rwhp bbc EVERYDAY?
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Originally Posted by slow
there is a 502 in a 94 or so camaro around the central florida area

drives it to shows and stuff, not sure if its a DD or not, but its drivable.

Ryan
Yeah it belongs to one of the guys @ Classic Chevy International.

The car looks and sounds awesome but the turning radius isn't that great even with Draglite skinnies up front it has a hard time with tight turns. The ZL1 built by Wheel 2 Wheel has a custom k-member that allows them to run a fat tire up front and also maintain good enough handling to road race it. BIG $$$ though
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Originally Posted by FASTONE
Bigblock parts cheaper the smallblock?????Let me see you make a 550 rwhp bigblock that you can drive everyday,won"t happen!!!
Whatever you can daily drive w/ a small-block, add a lot more and you can achieve that with a big block and sacrifice no more drivability than the smallblock. If you want to compare apples to apples, how much is it to build a 454 sbc to a 454 bbc. You need lots of exotic parts, special block, yadda yadda to push that many cubes through a sbc but with a bbc that's nothing.

There isn't even worth debating. BBC > SBC. There's no two ways about it.
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Do you have a 550 rwhp bigblock?Have you seen one?Describe it to me 360 cc heads .260 @ .050 cam .700 lift ,13-1 cr 1100 dominator carb come on.Bigblocks are great in show cars,they look massive and powerful and they sound nasty.But can they run with a 427 gen 3 ?I"ll take a smallblock over a bigblock any day.A 427 smallblock will run within .010 of a 540 anyway in the same car,been proven and that was with the 90 lb hood taken off for the bigblock.
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Originally Posted by FASTONE
Do you have a 550 rwhp bigblock?Have you seen one?Describe it to me 360 cc heads .260 @ .050 cam .700 lift ,13-1 cr 1100 dominator carb come on.Bigblocks are great in show cars,they look massive and powerful and they sound nasty.But can they run with a 427 gen 3 ?I"ll take a smallblock over a bigblock any day.A 427 smallblock will run within .010 of a 540 anyway in the same car,been proven and that was with the 90 lb hood taken off for the bigblock.
http://www.sdpc2000.com/cart.asp?act...art&catid=3449

That motor should put about 600-650 horsepower to the rear wheels, and half the price of a Gen 3 427ci. The only Gen 3 motor i have seen making over 750 fwhp naturally aspirated was built by More Performace and it is damn near $30,000.

The LS1 is a kick *** motor no doubt, but horsepower to $$$$$ ratio, the BBC will always win.

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A 408 ls1 ironblock will make as much hp as a 496 with aftermarket aluminum heads and the same basic cam specs.True or not??We have some die hard bb fans on here!
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Originally Posted by FASTONE
Do you have a 550 rwhp bigblock?Have you seen one?Describe it to me 360 cc heads .260 @ .050 cam .700 lift ,13-1 cr 1100 dominator carb come on.Bigblocks are great in show cars,they look massive and powerful and they sound nasty.But can they run with a 427 gen 3 ?I"ll take a smallblock over a bigblock any day.A 427 smallblock will run within .010 of a 540 anyway in the same car,been proven and that was with the 90 lb hood taken off for the bigblock.
i was makeing that much in my 69 camaro NA and it was my DD for 4 years. it is very easy to get those goals with a 454. you just need the right cam intake and headers. power wise, there is nothing better then a BBC no matter what you say. that motor ran 11.30s on drag radials with out problems and only shifting out at 6,000 rpm. considering i only had about 2K in the whole engine thats not bad at all. if i wanted to spend another 3K or so on just heads, you can get 9's NA easy. i also put a 200 shot plate system and ran 10.02. sure i put the car up in favor of my LS1 knowing i will have to spend more money just to get to the same times i was before. i only did it because i was already over powering the 69 and whated to restore it. plus i really love the gas milage the LS1 has.

oh ya, and when comparing a 427BBC to a 427LS1. give me the money it takes to make a 427LS1 and with it i can build a 427BBC that will whoop that a$$ all day long, and still have money left over.
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People are so proud of their LS1's that they'll say the damndest things ! An LS1 all things being equal couldn't run in the same county with an BBC on the best day it ever had. Period. My buddy's weekend cruiser/drag car is making 1400 hp out of a blown 509 on 18 psi, it'll take 30 psi ! Your not going to get anywhere close to that much power out of an LS1
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the funny thing about a big block is the way it makes power.. yea it might only make 550 rwhp. but the torque numbers are usually bigger say 550 rwhp/620 rwtq whereas a ls1 is usually down in the tq number and the hp numbers are higher. this is a lil diff in a boosted ls1. but ya get what im sayin..the things working against a big block are , its weight with iron heads and the amount of torque it makes . usually a bit too much for drag radials.
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Did you put it on a dyno? Running 11.30 in a 1st gen CAMARO about 3000 lbs is not 550 rwhp,you didn't have that much under the hood!!Good thing you shifted at 6000 cause any more and you have a spun main bearing or massive valve float from the heavy bb parts.A427 bb won"t run with a 346 ls1, your 454 wouldn"t run with a 346 ls1.You can"t build a 550 bigblock for less then 6 or 7 grand, you"ll spend 2 grand just on machinework!What cam did you have in that bad boy,prove me wrong!
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Originally Posted by FASTONE
Did you put it on a dyno? Running 11.30 in a 1st gen CAMARO about 3000 lbs is not 550 rwhp,you didn't have that much under the hood!!Good thing you shifted at 6000 cause any more and you have a spun main bearing or massive valve float from the heavy bb parts.A427 bb won"t run with a 346 ls1, your 454 wouldn"t run with a 346 ls1.You can"t build a 550 bigblock for less then 6 or 7 grand, you"ll spend 2 grand just on machinework!What cam did you have in that bad boy,prove me wrong!
lol. whos doing your machine work? 2 grand is way too high. spun bearing lol. never had that prob and my big block revs to 7.600 rpm . heavy valve train lol.. lmao no probs there. last time i checked i only had 5.800 in my alum headed big block.


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