OK..

You're right...

You are "the" cylinder head expert...

The rest of the world is totally wrong...

Only TEA can port heads...

Everyone else who ports heads is stupid...

Happy now?

Ed

 

I'm getting the AFR 225..plus I might have TEA hand finish them. I think that is the way to go IMO.

 

Is there ANYONE that has actually seen a 205 or 225 (such as at the SEMA show) that can comment on whether or not they need "hand finishing"??

We have spent tremendous amounts of time to insure the BEST results right out of the box. The ports of both intake and exhausts MELT into the valvejob. The combustion chambers MELT into the valvejobs....no lips...no ridges. There is absolutely NOTHING to hand finish. Very fine CNC cutter marks do nothing to impede flow....Any experienced head porter will tell you by the use of velocity probes that very little air can be found moving close to the walls of the port. Our CNC program on the LS1 heads are so fine it feels extremely smooth to the touch. Once someone touches our head with a carbide cutter or even a "tootsie roll", all bets are off and you guys are on your own....AFR will not stand behind the flow numbers we advertise. Just another something to consider before shipping the heads off to ANYONE for an operation that may or may not do any good except for the lightening of your wallet....not too mention could just as easily HURT the flownumbers we strived so hard to achieve.

Do some homework and find out what your dealing with before making assumptions on a new product based on what might have worked on some factory ported stuff you have seen in the past...You guys have no idea about the "quality" of this cylinder head and what it can offer you right out of the box. It is a piece of cylinder head "art" and much like an expensive painting, in most cases it is probably better left in its original form. All of the "big numbers" are 205 cars are putting to the wheel have been done with cylinder heads right out of the box....including my own. You might want to consider that for a minute as well...

Just some food for thought...

Regards,
Tony M.

 

I would hate to have a 2k paper weight

 

Tony, on a side note, is it possible to fit 1.625" springs on the 225 heads? If not, what is the absolute maximum spring O.D. that will fit without cutting into the port roof? 1.550"?

 

about time you came around to my way if thinking Ed! Gee and I was gonna send them to you for cam advice...


















Not

 

The AFR 205's and the 225's are a very nice head. We have had good success out of the 205's streight out of the box. The 225's I'm sure will be just as popular. If anyone is looking to buy a set let me know, I should have 205's in about a week, and 225's in two to three weeks!!

 

Yeah.. like that was in the cards...

BTW.... read Mustangeater's post...

Ed

 

Why would you say that? I'm not bashing anyone here, but TEA couldn't even do the set for the W2W customers car to a high enough standard so they got sent to Larry Meaux to be fixed. Kind of sad that TEA gave Meaux no credit until Larry posts about it, I think I may have just opened pandora's box here though.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/showpost....1&postcount=91



https://ls1tech.com/forums/showpost....6&postcount=92

 

No one has said the port was not nice Tony. But with any head it can be improved.

they looked good to me... but I think you might just be touching them a little much mister.....



This makes sense to me,why would you have to?



Now this is what I do not understand. since the only people mentioned in this thread to do additional port work on the AFR heads is TEA and a dealer of yours why bash them. They have promoted your product and are having great results with it. Not to mention are selling them like hotcakes for you.

another bash on someone who promotes your product... the move to Talmadge must be making you all nervous. btw I did some homework https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamometer-results-comparisons/236431-fresh-422-tea-afr-247cc-a4-c5-dyno-results.html looks like a few of them caveman at TEA really did a fine job on that set of heads!


well thanks for pointing out we as consumers know nothing Tony thats very comforting to think you feel like that..

always nice to hear the side of big business!

 

thats the beauty of head work when you own a CNC machine and are not head strong like some of the people in this post. TEA uses there own as well as other peoples ports. ie the Judson Port etc. TEA understands that you can never have the best head at the time. there is always something that can be improved. If you have a killer port that is better than anything send it to them,they will digitise it,pay you royalties when they sell it and you will make money doing nothing. In the end the consumer is the winner. The heads in question made 1560+hp in a boosted application how much would it have made if they had not been reworked by your boy?? 1540??? 1590??...
But the best part is Brian never even claimed in the thread they were his heads to start with..https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...4&page=1&pp=20 so why would you think you opened a pandora's box??? Crawl back into you box

 

Funny "you" should use head strong...

Brian pay you to hump his leg???

Ed

 

not yet... but if I hang on long enough maybe

 

After reading all of that, it sounds like he's humping more than just his leg. That sounded like a damn infomercial for tea.

 

I am funny about that I always stand up for great service before and after the sale. It may sound like an infomercial. Just like my thanks to thunder racing post last night. Great jobs deserve great recognition.

 

I would rather keep my warranty as oposed to picking up 2-3 cfm by bullshit hand finishing that could potentially turn a great head into one steaming pile of ****

 

The only reason to use a CNC port is to mass produce something at a cheaper price. However there is a big difference between the type of CNC work done on a Head like an AFR and a Patriot for example.

Are you sure about that?

Not really sure, I don't race on dyno's.

He kind of claims it here...

https://ls1tech.com/forums/showpost....8&postcount=27


hmmm don't know of too many LSX based motors making exactly 1560 HP.




I'm not bashing TEA at all they make a good product for the money, but they are NOT the best. Anyway, what do all these great TEA cars run on the motor or do they not post that since its not that impressive...

 

I will let you know what mines runs on motor when I get it back going with my new combo. Old POS combo went 11.31@120 TEA stage 2, 5.7 heads,216/220 cam .53x lift, 3.23 gears,hooker headers 3500 lbs and a big yank converter (4000) on an average air day (DA 900 feet). Was a great combo for driving around but I wanted a little more. My new combo is a larger camed,408 11.2 compression,fast 90,stage 3 6.0l heads, and a 3800-4000 converter (Unless I swap to a stick I am still up in the air on that cause I have had very bad luck with my 4l60e and shifting.


BTW I see he did say the heads on that motor had his cnc program on them. I would say that is the truth wouldn't you? I think if you want a max effort car you better buy the best max effort head you can afford. And the 225 head from afr is not it. Hell Brian also says for your average heads and cam car he couldn't imrove the 205 enough to warrent the cost of doing the job.

 

Why so low of compression on the 408? Just peace of mind in case you get a "not so great" tank of gas @ the pump or something else? I had the same problems with the 4L60E, decided to go with a good ole 3 speed. It shouldn't be that horrible on the street with a lockup.


The only thing I don't even have a clue to understanding is how the hell Ed posted


7 minutes before I posted

 

This is not something we thought up to offer our customers, our customers came to us asking for this...

It is ignorant to say if you send your heads to us they may become a steaming pile of ****. If they do... we always stand behind our work, if we ruin a set of heads we replace them, if the heads get independently flowed and, their down some we'll fix it everytime.

I like the afr 205 port and, the cnc work on them is great. Although there is room for improvment. Somone who is wanting to take them to the next level can send their heads to us. That is our job we take heads and improve on them, thats what we've been doing for a long time now.

and our hand finishing is not bullshit and it is worth more than 2-3 cfm

Tony