what else with a H/C package
04-20-2003, 07:47 PM
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what else with a H/C package I was thinking about getting the new SLP H/C package for my daily driver car (03 z06 in progress <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> ), it is an 2000 SS, A4, with 40,100 mi. I was wondering what else I need to do or get other than the h/c pack. and the mods I already have installed as listed.
- Lid w/ K&n
- MAF
- TB with bypass
- LS6 intake
- Hooker shorties (I dont wanna mess with LT's)
- SLP Loudmouth
- SLP bolt-on SFC's
- BMR LCA's
o ya and what about computer things or tuners? thanks a lot for helping!
- Lid w/ K&n
- MAF
- TB with bypass
- LS6 intake
- Hooker shorties (I dont wanna mess with LT's)
- SLP Loudmouth
- SLP bolt-on SFC's
- BMR LCA's
o ya and what about computer things or tuners? thanks a lot for helping!
04-20-2003, 08:14 PM
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Re: what else with a H/C package Ya i already have the MAF <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> those are the parts i already have. I dont really wanna do some lt's for a daily driver plus im not going for all out performance, that is what the vette is for, i have some lt's on that <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" /> . The kit does not come with pushrods? or what about computer reprograming?
also what about a torqe converter would that be any good,like a 2800 stall? Do the mac lt's leak or vib. or rattle maybe i should get some lt's will they help that much?
<small>[ April 20, 2003, 08:17 PM: Message edited by: RS 2 SS ]</small>
also what about a torqe converter would that be any good,like a 2800 stall? Do the mac lt's leak or vib. or rattle maybe i should get some lt's will they help that much?
<small>[ April 20, 2003, 08:17 PM: Message edited by: RS 2 SS ]</small>
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Re: what else with a H/C package Look at the price difference...shorties 500ish....Macs 500ish...Lt's $570. All coated. You will have to do a new orp...Hooker's is I think around $160, or you can have one made for less. Cheap mods...good hp gains on a H/C setup.
Good Luck.
<small>[ April 20, 2003, 08:29 PM: Message edited by: BLUEBYU ]</small>
Good Luck.
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04-20-2003, 08:48 PM
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Re: what else with a H/C package Call Mark @ 913-814-RAGE....he will help you alot with your q's. He has helped me a ton! FWIW, ask Mark about the SLP "package".....
04-20-2003, 08:53 PM
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Re: what else with a H/C package I don't want to come off as a dick, so don't take it that way ok. Don't waste your cash on SLP! Call up Mikey at Rapid Motorsports, LG Motorsports, Cartek, JPR, ARE, or Thunder Racing. Get you H/C from one of those shops. You will get much more power for your dollar. TRUST ME! Look into this set-up:
-Stage 2 H/C from the above mentioned shops
-Ported oil pump(ARE has good ones)
-Texas Speed and Performance 85mm lid
-Fast Toys Ram Air kit(the SS hood is for looks only, believe me)
-SVO 30lb injectors
-LS1 Edit
-NGK-TR55 plugs
I would go with QTP headers. You will be choking your H/C without good LT headers. In my opinion the QTPS are the best. Also you may want to set aside some money for a Speed Inc. or FLP 4L60E trans, because the stock trans probably won't last to long with the new found power. I know you don't want longtube headers but you really won't see all the power from your H/C. Longtube headers can add up to 20-30RWHP. You will have to have the torq management removed. I would get either a Precision Industries Vigilante 3200 or 3600 stall or a Yank SS 3600. You will need a shift kit at least to clean up the slop from the converter. 3.73 gears would be badass too. The Fast Toys Ram Air kit will help A LOT!
If you don't want to spend a lot of cash on the H/C, you could always get a set of Absolute ported stage 2 heads(don't shave them) and then get the LG G5X2 cam. With tuning, LT headers, LS6 intake and bolt-ons the G5X2 cam was putting out 400 RWHP in an A4. SLPa packages are ok but they are weak compared to other shop's set-ups.
-Stage 2 H/C from the above mentioned shops
-Ported oil pump(ARE has good ones)
-Texas Speed and Performance 85mm lid
-Fast Toys Ram Air kit(the SS hood is for looks only, believe me)
-SVO 30lb injectors
-LS1 Edit
-NGK-TR55 plugs
I would go with QTP headers. You will be choking your H/C without good LT headers. In my opinion the QTPS are the best. Also you may want to set aside some money for a Speed Inc. or FLP 4L60E trans, because the stock trans probably won't last to long with the new found power. I know you don't want longtube headers but you really won't see all the power from your H/C. Longtube headers can add up to 20-30RWHP. You will have to have the torq management removed. I would get either a Precision Industries Vigilante 3200 or 3600 stall or a Yank SS 3600. You will need a shift kit at least to clean up the slop from the converter. 3.73 gears would be badass too. The Fast Toys Ram Air kit will help A LOT!
If you don't want to spend a lot of cash on the H/C, you could always get a set of Absolute ported stage 2 heads(don't shave them) and then get the LG G5X2 cam. With tuning, LT headers, LS6 intake and bolt-ons the G5X2 cam was putting out 400 RWHP in an A4. SLPa packages are ok but they are weak compared to other shop's set-ups.
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Re: what else with a H/C package ok man cool thanks alot. Sorry im new to the LS1 if you as me about a 3800 series i prob can help lol. So the ls1 edit will help with the computer needs i have never used a program like that.
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Re: what else with a H/C package I just installed a set of hooker lts yesterday, it was easy. Your going to go through just about the same amount of trouble putting on shorties and the price difference is minimal go for the long tubes or you'll end up changing them anyway!
04-20-2003, 09:35 PM
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Re: what else with a H/C package You NEED a TORQUE CONVERTER big time. I would also upgrade to 3.73 gears while you are at it.
These two mods will feel like you picke up another 100HP!
I would recommend something like a Yank ST 3500 or so or a VIG 3600. Both these converters will HIT HARD off the LINE and pin you back in your seat! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
These two mods will feel like you picke up another 100HP!
I would recommend something like a Yank ST 3500 or so or a VIG 3600. Both these converters will HIT HARD off the LINE and pin you back in your seat! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
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Re: what else with a H/C package Check this thread out...Mark backs his great prices w/ customer service and care
https://ls1tech.com/ubb/ultimatebb.p...;f=10;t=001901
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04-23-2003, 03:57 PM
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Re: what else with a H/C package </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 14u2nv:
<strong> I don't want to come off as a dick, so don't take it that way ok. Don't waste your cash on SLP! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you dont know anything about the SLP parts, you should not offer advice on them <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
We make a GUARANTEED 400+ rwhp through stock exhaust; depending on options we have seen as high as 425 rwhp (LM and no cats). These are SAE numbers on a high end dyno.
Our tuning is dyno based and you get copies of all the results - no guessing or 'verbals' on any parameters or results.
Our final idle characteristics are near stock - no 'cruise control', no idle hunt, no stumble on decel, etc. We dont drill holes in throttles or any of that. Tuning is done RIGHT.
Pushrods ARE included with an install at SLP. Springs are Manley – working nicely and not breaking. Parts are all top quality.
They must be working because we are building them as fast as possible <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
- Brian
<strong> I don't want to come off as a dick, so don't take it that way ok. Don't waste your cash on SLP! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you dont know anything about the SLP parts, you should not offer advice on them <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
We make a GUARANTEED 400+ rwhp through stock exhaust; depending on options we have seen as high as 425 rwhp (LM and no cats). These are SAE numbers on a high end dyno.
Our tuning is dyno based and you get copies of all the results - no guessing or 'verbals' on any parameters or results.
Our final idle characteristics are near stock - no 'cruise control', no idle hunt, no stumble on decel, etc. We dont drill holes in throttles or any of that. Tuning is done RIGHT.
Pushrods ARE included with an install at SLP. Springs are Manley – working nicely and not breaking. Parts are all top quality.
They must be working because we are building them as fast as possible <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
- Brian
04-23-2003, 09:29 PM
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Re: what else with a H/C package First off, the money (what $2500+) for your H/C..and your highest 425RWHP, isn't to bad, but the shops I mentioned have put down better numbers more then 1 year ago. Now these shops are shooting for 450-480RWHP. My post simply states: if your going to spend the cash you might as well as get your moneys worth. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> MY SS has a ARE H/C thats over 1 year old and puts down 414RWHP(THROUGH THE MOSER 12 BOLT, AND 4.10 GEARS AND 315-35-17 ON AFS ZR1 17X11 REARS)and this was on Rapids dyno(a known conservative dyno BTW). This was through a SLP LM w/o cats.
I don't have any holes in my TB either, oh and puahrods came with my H/C too.
Did I say SLP sucks??? No I didn't! I said, spend your money where it counts! All the tuner shops can make packages that don't hunt for idle and pass emissions.....etc.. they all can. So don't go acting like SLP is the only shop that can hit 400RWHP with a smooth idle. Hell there are shops hitting damn near 400RWHP with a cam and bolt-ons(LG, BTW)...
SLP has quality products, sure, but there are other shops that will do the same quality with the same characteristics. You can go from mild to wild. Its all up the the owner, and most of us like as much power as possible; therefore, the huge cams go in the the tuning is aimed strictly at HP/TQ. If you want the ultimate is stock like appearance, driving characteristics, emmissions capability, and so on just call LPE.
There, I said my peace. To SLP: I have some of your products on my car, oh btw its a 1999 Camaro SS. Thats right, an SS. The same car you guys mod for GM. If I thought you guys really sucked then I sure wouldn't have spent 30k on your car! I have several of your Performance parts too: SLP LM, SLP CAI and I am going to be swapping my LM for a new SLP DD too.
-Brian Flick
I don't have any holes in my TB either, oh and puahrods came with my H/C too.
Did I say SLP sucks??? No I didn't! I said, spend your money where it counts! All the tuner shops can make packages that don't hunt for idle and pass emissions.....etc.. they all can. So don't go acting like SLP is the only shop that can hit 400RWHP with a smooth idle. Hell there are shops hitting damn near 400RWHP with a cam and bolt-ons(LG, BTW)...
SLP has quality products, sure, but there are other shops that will do the same quality with the same characteristics. You can go from mild to wild. Its all up the the owner, and most of us like as much power as possible; therefore, the huge cams go in the the tuning is aimed strictly at HP/TQ. If you want the ultimate is stock like appearance, driving characteristics, emmissions capability, and so on just call LPE.
There, I said my peace. To SLP: I have some of your products on my car, oh btw its a 1999 Camaro SS. Thats right, an SS. The same car you guys mod for GM. If I thought you guys really sucked then I sure wouldn't have spent 30k on your car! I have several of your Performance parts too: SLP LM, SLP CAI and I am going to be swapping my LM for a new SLP DD too.
-Brian Flick
04-24-2003, 07:45 AM
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Re: what else with a H/C package </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 14u2nv:
<strong> Hell there are shops hitting damn near 400RWHP with a cam and bolt-ons(LG, BTW)...
-Brian Flick </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Didn’t mean to get you all flustered <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> - simply noting you don’t know much about slp packages, they have evolved quite a bit. Figured it would help others if i cleared it up.
The numbers i mentioned are understated - so we can guarantee them. (btw - they all typically have 12 bolts and high gears too, I don't bother offering that as an excuse for less power because it really makes less of a difference than you think) Also, on the right setup we have no problem hitting the higher numbers you mentioned as well - but i don't quote our single best performance when speaking in GENERAL about our packages, that is a little misleading. Besides, the majority of our customers prefer a subtle SS type exhaust, cats, and decent road manners. About 1 in 10, if that, go for something all out.
About other's packages - sure, the main/popular shops make nice packages as well. On the other hand, plenty of other self-claimed experts make crap.
BTW - ref GMHTP this month, 420+some rwhp from cam swap and bolt-ons (but stock exhaust) on a z06 from SLP. Take away the ls6 heads and your looking at 400 hp. We can do this too.
<strong> Hell there are shops hitting damn near 400RWHP with a cam and bolt-ons(LG, BTW)...
-Brian Flick </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Didn’t mean to get you all flustered <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> - simply noting you don’t know much about slp packages, they have evolved quite a bit. Figured it would help others if i cleared it up.
The numbers i mentioned are understated - so we can guarantee them. (btw - they all typically have 12 bolts and high gears too, I don't bother offering that as an excuse for less power because it really makes less of a difference than you think) Also, on the right setup we have no problem hitting the higher numbers you mentioned as well - but i don't quote our single best performance when speaking in GENERAL about our packages, that is a little misleading. Besides, the majority of our customers prefer a subtle SS type exhaust, cats, and decent road manners. About 1 in 10, if that, go for something all out.
About other's packages - sure, the main/popular shops make nice packages as well. On the other hand, plenty of other self-claimed experts make crap.
BTW - ref GMHTP this month, 420+some rwhp from cam swap and bolt-ons (but stock exhaust) on a z06 from SLP. Take away the ls6 heads and your looking at 400 hp. We can do this too.
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Re: what else with a H/C package SLP Stage 2 heads + SLP Stage 2 cam = $2595.00 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
http://www.slponline.com/view_produc...&SHOWEMAIL=Off
I dont see anyone with stage 2 heads and cam for less than this? did I miss someone <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
<small>[ April 24, 2003, 07:55 AM: Message edited by: horsepower ]</small>
http://www.slponline.com/view_produc...&SHOWEMAIL=Off
I dont see anyone with stage 2 heads and cam for less than this? did I miss someone <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
<small>[ April 24, 2003, 07:55 AM: Message edited by: horsepower ]</small>
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Re: what else with a H/C package "Our final idle characteristics are near stock - no 'cruise control', no idle hunt, no stumble on decel, etc. We dont drill holes in throttles or any of that. Tuning is done RIGHT."
As I understand it, you also "lock" the PCM, basically precluding any future changes without going back to SLP or wiping the PCM and starting over.
Is this correct?
If so, you'll never see a penny from me, and I would recommend that no one else sends you their cash for a tune either.
If not, then we can talk about everything except the cylinder heads. Joe Prince is getting that cash for Stage 1 LS6 heads.
Please address this.
<small>[ April 24, 2003, 08:34 AM: Message edited by: PacerX ]</small>
As I understand it, you also "lock" the PCM, basically precluding any future changes without going back to SLP or wiping the PCM and starting over.
Is this correct?
If so, you'll never see a penny from me, and I would recommend that no one else sends you their cash for a tune either.
If not, then we can talk about everything except the cylinder heads. Joe Prince is getting that cash for Stage 1 LS6 heads.
Please address this.
<small>[ April 24, 2003, 08:34 AM: Message edited by: PacerX ]</small>
04-24-2003, 04:37 PM
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Re: what else with a H/C package I too have SLP parts on my car, but they were bought from other sources, SLP's shipping practices and customer service is the ABSOLUTE WORST .
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">SLP Stage 2 heads + SLP Stage 2 cam = $2595.00
http://www.slponline.com/view_produc...&SHOWEMAIL=Off
I dont see anyone with stage 2 heads and cam for less than this? did I miss someone
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hhhmmm.....
TEA S2 or Absolute Speed S2 $1500-$1700
Cam of choice $400
Chromoly pushrods $100
Katech timing chain $100
head bolts and gaskets ~$295
TOTAL $2395-$2595
Guess which "package" would produce better results (RWHP and ET)? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> Not to mention you also get pushrods, chain, bolts, and gaskets. <img border="0" alt="[bomb]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bomb.gif" />
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">SLP Stage 2 heads + SLP Stage 2 cam = $2595.00
http://www.slponline.com/view_produc...&SHOWEMAIL=Off
I dont see anyone with stage 2 heads and cam for less than this? did I miss someone
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hhhmmm.....
TEA S2 or Absolute Speed S2 $1500-$1700
Cam of choice $400
Chromoly pushrods $100
Katech timing chain $100
head bolts and gaskets ~$295
TOTAL $2395-$2595
Guess which "package" would produce better results (RWHP and ET)? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> Not to mention you also get pushrods, chain, bolts, and gaskets. <img border="0" alt="[bomb]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bomb.gif" />