Patriot Heads?
On The Tree
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 115
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From: Kalamazoo, MI, USA
After 3 pages of threads let me be one of the first to actually talk about the subject.
I've had the 5.3 Stage 2 Patriot Heads for about 9 months and I don't beleave they are that great. By adding the 224 cam, 5.3 PP Heads, SVO 30# Injectors and dyno tuning I only gained 50 hp. I run 12.3 at 110 in the quarter and people with the same cam and AFR or TEA Heads are running approximately .5 seconds quicker and 5 mph faster. Not to mention the fact that I was getting 17 mpg and now I'm lucky to see 11 mpg.
If you are going to spend the money, pay the $500 extra to give you the gains you really want.
Good Luck,
Al
I've had the 5.3 Stage 2 Patriot Heads for about 9 months and I don't beleave they are that great. By adding the 224 cam, 5.3 PP Heads, SVO 30# Injectors and dyno tuning I only gained 50 hp. I run 12.3 at 110 in the quarter and people with the same cam and AFR or TEA Heads are running approximately .5 seconds quicker and 5 mph faster. Not to mention the fact that I was getting 17 mpg and now I'm lucky to see 11 mpg.
If you are going to spend the money, pay the $500 extra to give you the gains you really want.
Good Luck,
Al
Wow, no offense but I can't believe you are only running 12.3@110 on an 01 H/C & long tubed LS1. There are plenty of stock headed 224 cam'd guys that trap around 114. Doesn't really say to much for those heads, unless maybe your tune or something else is way off.
Also, as far as your gas mileage, only 11 mpg?? Damn, thats horrible..
Also, as far as your gas mileage, only 11 mpg?? Damn, thats horrible..
On The Tree
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 115
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From: Kalamazoo, MI, USA
I agree. I was running 12.8 at 105 with headers and a 3000 stall converter. I dynoed 50 more hp, 0.5 sec and 5 mph with the addition of a 3600 stall converter, FLP Tranny, 30# SVO Injectors, Lunati 224-560 @112 LSA Cam and PP 5.3 Stage 2 Heads. That was an expensive half second.
If it's any consolation the car seems the run real good and sounds mean.
I was thinking about getting a larger TB. This summer I want to try to get it down to 12.0 seconds with out spending to much cash. Does anyone else have any ideas for less than a grand. I wanted to stay away from NOS.
Al
If it's any consolation the car seems the run real good and sounds mean.
I was thinking about getting a larger TB. This summer I want to try to get it down to 12.0 seconds with out spending to much cash. Does anyone else have any ideas for less than a grand. I wanted to stay away from NOS.
Al
Originally Posted by AKRA
After 3 pages of threads let me be one of the first to actually talk about the subject.
I've had the 5.3 Stage 2 Patriot Heads for about 9 months and I don't beleave they are that great. By adding the 224 cam, 5.3 PP Heads, SVO 30# Injectors and dyno tuning I only gained 50 hp. I run 12.3 at 110 in the quarter and people with the same cam and AFR or TEA Heads are running approximately .5 seconds quicker and 5 mph faster. Not to mention the fact that I was getting 17 mpg and now I'm lucky to see 11 mpg.
If you are going to spend the money, pay the $500 extra to give you the gains you really want.
Good Luck,
Al
I've had the 5.3 Stage 2 Patriot Heads for about 9 months and I don't beleave they are that great. By adding the 224 cam, 5.3 PP Heads, SVO 30# Injectors and dyno tuning I only gained 50 hp. I run 12.3 at 110 in the quarter and people with the same cam and AFR or TEA Heads are running approximately .5 seconds quicker and 5 mph faster. Not to mention the fact that I was getting 17 mpg and now I'm lucky to see 11 mpg.
If you are going to spend the money, pay the $500 extra to give you the gains you really want.
Good Luck,
Al
I am looking into buying 5.3 heads myself. I would want to run it with a TR224 cam. I wonder if AKRA's case is common. If so I would probably want to avoid those heads. The price is hard to beat, but if they don't perform than its not worth it.
Mike-looks like you've had good success with them. i actually was hoping to get close to 450rwhp, but it looks like that won't happen unless i go to better heads and or a bigger cam...
Mike-looks like you've had good success with them. i actually was hoping to get close to 450rwhp, but it looks like that won't happen unless i go to better heads and or a bigger cam...
Originally Posted by KB99WS6
I am looking into buying 5.3 heads myself. I would want to run it with a TR224 cam. I wonder if AKRA's case is common. If so I would probably want to avoid those heads. The price is hard to beat, but if they don't perform than its not worth it.
Mike-looks like you've had good success with them. i actually was hoping to get close to 450rwhp, but it looks like that won't happen unless i go to better heads and or a bigger cam...
Mike-looks like you've had good success with them. i actually was hoping to get close to 450rwhp, but it looks like that won't happen unless i go to better heads and or a bigger cam...
Staging Lane
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 88
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From: florida
AKRA I can't tell that kind of exhaust you have from your sin. But I installed a small cam 218/224 112 and saw almost No gain at the track. I stalled a cut out and picked up a .5 sec. the flow master 40 was killing me. I trap 114 now n/a.
It may be your tune also, 11 mpg is not good. That is unless you got your foot it.
I was thinks about buy these too
But add a small 60 shoot of spray instead, SPRAY whales, good luck
It may be your tune also, 11 mpg is not good. That is unless you got your foot it.
I was thinks about buy these too
But add a small 60 shoot of spray instead, SPRAY whales, good luck
akra, maybe you should try puttin your stock heads back on and see what results you get ... i've seen cars with only headers and stall runnin those times
who tuned the car?
who tuned the car?
Last edited by madpwr1; Jan 25, 2005 at 11:39 PM.
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here are links to the threads that i searched for...1st page btw...
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...heads+how+good
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...heads+how+good
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...heads+how+good (not really tech. related but says they are a good bang for the buck
2nd page
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...heads+how+good
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...heads+how+good
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...heads+how+good (little bit of info about ports being too small for his small cam)
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...heads+how+good
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...heads+how+good
now that is a general search...and only the first two pages...you could go advanced search and find twice that much in the dyno section if you narrowed it down to just there...people really do not mind answering questions but they get annoyed when you ask uniformed questions that can be easily found by doing a simple search...THEN you ask questions on stuff you still don't understand...that is what the search and this site is supposed to be about...if it wasn't we wouldn't a have a HUGE database of old posts...they would get deleted after a few weeks...so with that being said "search then ask" then everyone will be happy...no one gets annoyed...server doesn't get cluttered...and you get your information
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...heads+how+good
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...heads+how+good
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...heads+how+good (not really tech. related but says they are a good bang for the buck
2nd page
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...heads+how+good
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...heads+how+good
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...heads+how+good (little bit of info about ports being too small for his small cam)
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...heads+how+good
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...heads+how+good
now that is a general search...and only the first two pages...you could go advanced search and find twice that much in the dyno section if you narrowed it down to just there...people really do not mind answering questions but they get annoyed when you ask uniformed questions that can be easily found by doing a simple search...THEN you ask questions on stuff you still don't understand...that is what the search and this site is supposed to be about...if it wasn't we wouldn't a have a HUGE database of old posts...they would get deleted after a few weeks...so with that being said "search then ask" then everyone will be happy...no one gets annoyed...server doesn't get cluttered...and you get your information
Last edited by 777; Jan 26, 2005 at 09:56 AM.
Ever notice how some people post just to say do a search and add to their post count? I mean, like on every single thread that they can't stand!!! I'd rather pay $1100 for 30 or so rwhp than $2200 for 35-40 rwhp, wouldn't you? My stock headed 224/228 6 speed full weight car has run 118.49. I'm almost afraid to buy heads.
