G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers
Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by jmX:
<strong> Do the customers at least get the specs after they buy it? No way I'd buy a cam without knowing what it was, or at least test driving a car with it first to feel drivability/idle/etc.
I knew what the G5 was pretty soon after it came out (I had a cam with nearly the same specs 6 months before), but at the same time I repsected the "secret" and didn't post it all over the boards. I can see where Lou is coming from, its just gonna be hard to convince hard core guys to buy a mystery cam like that. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">jMx, even if they don't give them to you after you buy it have it put on a cam dr <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
<strong> Do the customers at least get the specs after they buy it? No way I'd buy a cam without knowing what it was, or at least test driving a car with it first to feel drivability/idle/etc.
I knew what the G5 was pretty soon after it came out (I had a cam with nearly the same specs 6 months before), but at the same time I repsected the "secret" and didn't post it all over the boards. I can see where Lou is coming from, its just gonna be hard to convince hard core guys to buy a mystery cam like that. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">jMx, even if they don't give them to you after you buy it have it put on a cam dr <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers First off, Congrats to Lou and Louis on a job well done. I think that is most peak and power under the curve of any H/C/I LS1 I have seen <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> Very nice indeed. I think something else you forgot was that the bottom end in that car has had some time on it as well. So its not like it was a brand new motor. I know Louis drives that car from Texas to Purdue and around town and it was fine with the first G5x cam in it. I'm sure this one will get plenty of testing as well on it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
To all of those bitching about specs, will you stop and listen to yourselves? I mean come on, sure it would be nice to know what the specs are but there are guys that build motors in their own garage that will not post what they have. Lou is doing this as a buisness, its how he feeds himself and his family. By telling everyone on the planet what he does and how he does it that would be like taking away his job, or if nothing else a big pay cut. Do you bitch when Dale Jr. doesn't go run around telling everyone what the specs are on the #8 Bud car? NO. Hell GM doesn't go and post up the specs on the stock cams in most of its motors, at least not for a few years after they have been out. If you want to whine, fine, if you want whats turning out to be one hell of a bad *** package...then call and talk to Lou. I'm sure he will talk to you about it.
This is a free country, if he doesn't want to give details...he doesn't have to
To all of those bitching about specs, will you stop and listen to yourselves? I mean come on, sure it would be nice to know what the specs are but there are guys that build motors in their own garage that will not post what they have. Lou is doing this as a buisness, its how he feeds himself and his family. By telling everyone on the planet what he does and how he does it that would be like taking away his job, or if nothing else a big pay cut. Do you bitch when Dale Jr. doesn't go run around telling everyone what the specs are on the #8 Bud car? NO. Hell GM doesn't go and post up the specs on the stock cams in most of its motors, at least not for a few years after they have been out. If you want to whine, fine, if you want whats turning out to be one hell of a bad *** package...then call and talk to Lou. I'm sure he will talk to you about it.
This is a free country, if he doesn't want to give details...he doesn't have to
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Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers hey! that's the cam going in my car mid-march! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by alexWS6:
<strong> What are the G5 cam specs? I still haven't even heard those... </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">224/231 .580/.573 112
<strong> What are the G5 cam specs? I still haven't even heard those... </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">224/231 .580/.573 112
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Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers Props to Lou for standing up! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
Lou is probably one of the most accomplished and recognized racers in the industry among all the sponsors listed and people are giving him the third degree as if he just fell out of the sky.
That is DEFINITELY the LS1 net crowd for you! You guys would rather believe an unknown user who claims majical results than an industry leader. This kills me. <img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
It's no wonder that few if any sponsors themselves actually post! MTI learned early in 98 and just got a whipping boy for themselves to do all the jaw flapping. Most other sponsors don't even bother. And the few news ones that do, quickly learn and stop.
Heck, you don't even see users (members) post any free mods anymore or even pictures of their mods because most of them know it'll quickly be taken and made into a product. This was an easy less back in 98 when Mr. Joe Kizzare took a FREE LS1 thermostat mod and profited from it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />
Lou is probably one of the most accomplished and recognized racers in the industry among all the sponsors listed and people are giving him the third degree as if he just fell out of the sky.
That is DEFINITELY the LS1 net crowd for you! You guys would rather believe an unknown user who claims majical results than an industry leader. This kills me. <img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
It's no wonder that few if any sponsors themselves actually post! MTI learned early in 98 and just got a whipping boy for themselves to do all the jaw flapping. Most other sponsors don't even bother. And the few news ones that do, quickly learn and stop.
Heck, you don't even see users (members) post any free mods anymore or even pictures of their mods because most of them know it'll quickly be taken and made into a product. This was an easy less back in 98 when Mr. Joe Kizzare took a FREE LS1 thermostat mod and profited from it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />
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Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Silver Surfer:
<strong> FYI, all M6 LS1's have a stock aluminum driveshaft <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
<strong> FYI, all M6 LS1's have a stock aluminum driveshaft <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers Insane #s Lou!! I assume these heads are crafted towards this cam or vice-versa?
Ask George C about his cam specs!! How long has he had the motor? Does anyone quetsion his combo? Damn <img border="0" alt="[punch]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_punch.gif" /> Haterz!
Keep up the good work Lou, and keep us poste on drivability <img border="0" alt="[pimp]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_pimp.gif" />
Ask George C about his cam specs!! How long has he had the motor? Does anyone quetsion his combo? Damn <img border="0" alt="[punch]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_punch.gif" /> Haterz!
Keep up the good work Lou, and keep us poste on drivability <img border="0" alt="[pimp]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_pimp.gif" />
Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers great reply 9-ball!
it is not a magical cam spec at all. it is in the dyno and the tune. i really doubt LGM would put out a product (here a dyno graph) without fully optimizing the combo. again, like tony said, the few of us that really know and have been around this sceeen of racing know it is about the combo. i like many, dont jump the bandwagon on the new magic cam out. there seems to be one every 6 months, then when the 99/100 people that buy it and cant reproduce the numbers of a tuners car and never post get upset, a new cam combo comes out and everyone praises it.
all in all, the B1-style (no i dont buy into tuner spec cams - i will order a comp grind 221. you have to be on crack to order a comp grind and pay more than 399 at this point) is still the best all around HP making cam and only looses a few RWHP over the big thumper cams. a few of us still believe in the non-tuner cams. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
got to love dyno racing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
LGM, as a business man, i fully understand your keeping your specs secret. internet junkies, just wait a little while. they will be out for us on thet net. no biggie.
it is not a magical cam spec at all. it is in the dyno and the tune. i really doubt LGM would put out a product (here a dyno graph) without fully optimizing the combo. again, like tony said, the few of us that really know and have been around this sceeen of racing know it is about the combo. i like many, dont jump the bandwagon on the new magic cam out. there seems to be one every 6 months, then when the 99/100 people that buy it and cant reproduce the numbers of a tuners car and never post get upset, a new cam combo comes out and everyone praises it.
all in all, the B1-style (no i dont buy into tuner spec cams - i will order a comp grind 221. you have to be on crack to order a comp grind and pay more than 399 at this point) is still the best all around HP making cam and only looses a few RWHP over the big thumper cams. a few of us still believe in the non-tuner cams. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
got to love dyno racing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
LGM, as a business man, i fully understand your keeping your specs secret. internet junkies, just wait a little while. they will be out for us on thet net. no biggie.
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Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers Silver Surfer
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">FYI, all M6 LS1's have a stock aluminum driveshaft</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ok *** <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> , but it is a stock STEEL driveshaft. Weither its LS1 or LT1 doesn't really matter. I saw the car on the lift and it does have a GM steel shaft in it.
Well I know when Louis came to up here in the fall it still had the program in it for the solid roller motor that he never put in it, and I thought he said the computer was locked so he couldn't get into it with out blanking it out and he didn't want to do that. So I don't think they ever touched it. So what ever it had for that combo is what it has for a tune......not what it is currently running....so I'm pretty sure there is a little bit more left in it still <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">FYI, all M6 LS1's have a stock aluminum driveshaft</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ok *** <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> , but it is a stock STEEL driveshaft. Weither its LS1 or LT1 doesn't really matter. I saw the car on the lift and it does have a GM steel shaft in it.
Well I know when Louis came to up here in the fall it still had the program in it for the solid roller motor that he never put in it, and I thought he said the computer was locked so he couldn't get into it with out blanking it out and he didn't want to do that. So I don't think they ever touched it. So what ever it had for that combo is what it has for a tune......not what it is currently running....so I'm pretty sure there is a little bit more left in it still <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers Lou never said it was a 6 degree split but considering the intake vs exhaust efficiency of a ported LS1/6 head that is the max I would imagine anyone would use. Anything really less than a 6 degree split wouldn't be worth it. If I am incorrect please correct me.
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Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LG Motorsports:
<strong> Yes all the bolt ons. LS6 heads, LG6 intake, 410 gears, G2 air lid. full belts, dynatech headers with custom y pipe, run open y pipe ported TB and stock maf.
The car is heading up to Indiana in the morning to the SNOW, so it will get a test on the way up there as far as durvability.
Thanks,
Lou Gigliotti LGM </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Lou--
You forgot to mention the yellow wheels! That's gotta be worth somethin'! Anyhow--EXCELLENT numbers! I hope to get back to Purdue and finally meet Louis one of these days. Anthony--you got a place for me to sleep?
-Jason
<strong> Yes all the bolt ons. LS6 heads, LG6 intake, 410 gears, G2 air lid. full belts, dynatech headers with custom y pipe, run open y pipe ported TB and stock maf.
The car is heading up to Indiana in the morning to the SNOW, so it will get a test on the way up there as far as durvability.
Thanks,
Lou Gigliotti LGM </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Lou--
You forgot to mention the yellow wheels! That's gotta be worth somethin'! Anyhow--EXCELLENT numbers! I hope to get back to Purdue and finally meet Louis one of these days. Anthony--you got a place for me to sleep?
-Jason