G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers
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Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers Once these packages get spread around, then people will start to buy into them more. Locals with parts from Company X or Y mean a LOT IMO, because then the person can see exactly how it runs on the local dyno or track. Austin guys can't compare to houston times because we don't have HRP, nor do we dyno at those shops....so we look at who does what at OUR locations. My car alone has probably sold 10-15 TR cams and 5 sets of heads now just because people liked how it ran, how they saw it with their own 2 eyes. Back when I had ARE stuff it sold some of their heads, and an assload of their oil pumps from my webpage I'm sure (considering the amount of emails I get from it).
To me, getting the product out there to TRUSTED enthusiasts around the country is key in getting sales. It'll come with time.
And the last thing I'll mention on the cam specs, Thunder racing doesn't hide their specs and their cams sell probably more than most other vendors combined on this board. MTI's specs are publicly known (granted, a long time ago things were different), and theirs sell great as well. I see no reason why LG motorsports wouldn't be able to do the same once the cam gets out there in some LS1's and kicks some ***.
My point? Word of mouth will sell the products. Dyno's of a secret cam on a dyno at the shop trying to sell the cam probably won't.
To me, getting the product out there to TRUSTED enthusiasts around the country is key in getting sales. It'll come with time.
And the last thing I'll mention on the cam specs, Thunder racing doesn't hide their specs and their cams sell probably more than most other vendors combined on this board. MTI's specs are publicly known (granted, a long time ago things were different), and theirs sell great as well. I see no reason why LG motorsports wouldn't be able to do the same once the cam gets out there in some LS1's and kicks some ***.
My point? Word of mouth will sell the products. Dyno's of a secret cam on a dyno at the shop trying to sell the cam probably won't.
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Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers I've been following this thread now on a couple different boards and now I understand what this heads/cam setup is really about.
Flame me if you want, but IMO secretive "Special X" packages targeted specifically at C5 people is <img border="0" alt="[rainbow]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_rainbow.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
Flame me if you want, but IMO secretive "Special X" packages targeted specifically at C5 people is <img border="0" alt="[rainbow]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_rainbow.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
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Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers Here's my $.02's worth. I have been reading this thread since it started, and this is ridiculous. Why don't all of you guys wanting the specs, go to hershey's or betty crocker, and ask them what ingredients and what proceses they use to make milk chocolate, and see how far that gets you. It's a trade, and competition is tight, giving away your R&D expenses can and will break a company. Now, the reason I decided to post on here is this. I just got back from a ride in this car and holy moly what a screamer. I wasn't there when the car dynoed, however I have no reason to doubt the validity of LG's claims, especially after having ridden in the car. Considering the cam that is in this car, it has an amazingly smooth idle, doesn't surge at all, is not peaky, and pulls progressively harder to the redline, not to mention that it gets better gas milage then my car. I have been in the market now for a few months looking to buy a cam, and after having ridden in a few different cammed cars, I think I am going to drop the reverse split TR 230 idea, sell off all the hardware I have collected in anticipation of the install, and go for the G5X-2. It is by far the meanest HC car I have seen. Anyone want a new set of Comp 918's (blue stripe) and titanium retainers? Props to Lou, Louis, and all involved in the developement of such a great package.
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Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers Rutman,
Dude, that's the thing. You can't just buy the cam. This is (from all I've gathered) a full heads/cam package that is specifically targeted at going head to head w/ Cartek's "X" package which mostly has a following with the C5 crowd.
I'm sure that's why it's called the G5"X"-2.
The F-body this cam is installed in is just a Guinea Pig for the final heads/cam product targeted for C5's.
You'd probably have to buy the whole setup (with StageII LS6 heads) not to mention you won't be allowed to install it yourself. <img border="0" alt="[rainbow]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_rainbow.gif" />
It would be cool if you could just buy the cam...
Dude, that's the thing. You can't just buy the cam. This is (from all I've gathered) a full heads/cam package that is specifically targeted at going head to head w/ Cartek's "X" package which mostly has a following with the C5 crowd.
I'm sure that's why it's called the G5"X"-2.
The F-body this cam is installed in is just a Guinea Pig for the final heads/cam product targeted for C5's.
You'd probably have to buy the whole setup (with StageII LS6 heads) not to mention you won't be allowed to install it yourself. <img border="0" alt="[rainbow]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_rainbow.gif" />
It would be cool if you could just buy the cam...
Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by J-Rod:
<strong> Ya' know I think it is funny. All the Cartek guys (on Corvetteforum, heck on all the sites) come out to bash on Lou as soon as he makes the announcement. </strong> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What customers from Cartek bashed Lou in this post?? So far me and JS (both Cartek cutomers) complimented Lou not bashed him. Get the facts straight!!!!!!!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" />
Want my cam specs?? 230-236 .605 .610 112. There ya go, now you can't say you haven't seen any of Cartek's cam specs <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
<strong> Ya' know I think it is funny. All the Cartek guys (on Corvetteforum, heck on all the sites) come out to bash on Lou as soon as he makes the announcement. </strong> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What customers from Cartek bashed Lou in this post?? So far me and JS (both Cartek cutomers) complimented Lou not bashed him. Get the facts straight!!!!!!!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" />
Want my cam specs?? 230-236 .605 .610 112. There ya go, now you can't say you haven't seen any of Cartek's cam specs <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
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Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers The G5X=2 is not named after the Cartek package. Is Cartek's package named after MTI's X1 cam then. Grow up, why can't you just say nice dyno numbers, look forward to seeing how it runs at the track.
Lou will install the package in any f-body, just because he posted on Corvette Forum doesn't mean that he only wants to target the C5 market. If you even paid attention, the test car is a Camaro!
LGM's G5X-2 package is a true hydraulic cam setup. It's my understanding that the Cartek packages are a solid roller combos (or a hybrid) - correct me if I'm wrong. That's comparing apples to oranges. Anyways Lou is doing a solid roller 346 CID right now that may just surprise all of you on the dyno considering the hydraulic setup did 460+. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Lou will install the package in any f-body, just because he posted on Corvette Forum doesn't mean that he only wants to target the C5 market. If you even paid attention, the test car is a Camaro!
LGM's G5X-2 package is a true hydraulic cam setup. It's my understanding that the Cartek packages are a solid roller combos (or a hybrid) - correct me if I'm wrong. That's comparing apples to oranges. Anyways Lou is doing a solid roller 346 CID right now that may just surprise all of you on the dyno considering the hydraulic setup did 460+. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers Godspeed,Carteks S2X is NOT a solid roller,that I know for sure.My S2X setup has a hyd. roller 224-224 573-573 113LSA. Thats what the cam card said and when I asked Cartek they also asked me if I ever planned to run N20,I said no and thats the cam that went into my car.
I dont know if its on a XE,XER or if its another stlye lobe but thats the cam in my car.I do know it has NO advance ground into it.
I hate these posts and have grown real tired of the BS.I myself have been involved in alot of bashing of others stuff and frankly I am ashamed of myself.Lately I;ve had a big change of heart.Its been months and I havent knocked anyone's stuff.
I've really had it with the CARTEK guys knocking this guys stuff or the LG guys knocking that guys stuff or the MTI guys knocking or the ARE guys knocking stuff or blah blah blah...
ITS ALL BS!!!!!
Lou I applaud u as a "CARTEK GUY" for building one of the baddest setups to date.I repsect and appreciate your R&D.Good luck with your new package....
JS
WS6 A4
Cartek S2X
BEST ET 11.14/1.47/122
430RWHP/395RWTQ
3459LBS/-240DA
I dont know if its on a XE,XER or if its another stlye lobe but thats the cam in my car.I do know it has NO advance ground into it.
I hate these posts and have grown real tired of the BS.I myself have been involved in alot of bashing of others stuff and frankly I am ashamed of myself.Lately I;ve had a big change of heart.Its been months and I havent knocked anyone's stuff.
I've really had it with the CARTEK guys knocking this guys stuff or the LG guys knocking that guys stuff or the MTI guys knocking or the ARE guys knocking stuff or blah blah blah...
ITS ALL BS!!!!!
Lou I applaud u as a "CARTEK GUY" for building one of the baddest setups to date.I repsect and appreciate your R&D.Good luck with your new package....
JS
WS6 A4
Cartek S2X
BEST ET 11.14/1.47/122
430RWHP/395RWTQ
3459LBS/-240DA
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Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers Cement Mike,
I hope no one was refering to you. You should not have been included in that group.
I used to be a place and finish contractor, in the early 80's I had 150 men and poured over 20,000,000 sf here in Dallas. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
JS,
Thank you very much!!! really.
You both are class acts.
Lou G
I hope no one was refering to you. You should not have been included in that group.
I used to be a place and finish contractor, in the early 80's I had 150 men and poured over 20,000,000 sf here in Dallas. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
JS,
Thank you very much!!! really.
You both are class acts.
Lou G
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Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers First of all, I'd like to congratulate Lou and the rest of the LGM crew on putting together such a stout package!! Not only are the peak numbers good, but the bredth of the torque curve is DAMNED impressive. Some track numbers from Louis's car may not be what ya'll expect- his is NOT a drag car (read: it has the LGM road-race oriented coilover setup on it), and as has already been mentioned, it is at the stock weight.
As for the car, I know for sure that it's running a 12-bolt rear.
Anyhoo, I, like many others, am curious as to the specs of the cam, it's drivability, idle characteristics, etc... but I understand why Lou is doing what he's doing. From past conversations with him (loooooong conversations), I can tell you that the cam is designed with the port flow characteristics of the LG-spec heads in mind. That's why it's called a package. That means that the LGM team has taken what they know about their heads, and worked out a cam spec that takes advantage of the potential of the heads. This takes time. Time spent on cam development is time not spent on other projects. Time is money. Lou is not running a charity. LGM is not the Salvation Army of the motorsports world. He and his team have put in the figurative blood, sweat, and tears to develop this package; and it looks like they've done a hell of a job to me. There is no reason why they should give away the store as soon as the cam is released... let them enjoy the fruits of their labor, huh??
Lou, you'll be hearing from me some time this week. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
As for the car, I know for sure that it's running a 12-bolt rear.
Anyhoo, I, like many others, am curious as to the specs of the cam, it's drivability, idle characteristics, etc... but I understand why Lou is doing what he's doing. From past conversations with him (loooooong conversations), I can tell you that the cam is designed with the port flow characteristics of the LG-spec heads in mind. That's why it's called a package. That means that the LGM team has taken what they know about their heads, and worked out a cam spec that takes advantage of the potential of the heads. This takes time. Time spent on cam development is time not spent on other projects. Time is money. Lou is not running a charity. LGM is not the Salvation Army of the motorsports world. He and his team have put in the figurative blood, sweat, and tears to develop this package; and it looks like they've done a hell of a job to me. There is no reason why they should give away the store as soon as the cam is released... let them enjoy the fruits of their labor, huh??
Lou, you'll be hearing from me some time this week. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers .. <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" /> 10 bolt <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" />
at least until he snaps it <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" />
at least until he snaps it <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" />
Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BurnOut:
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As for the car, I know for sure that it's running a 12-bolt rear.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Jack, It still has the Stock 10 bolt with 4.10s. Ill borrow a 12 bolt again here shortly and Take a trip to the strip if weather permits.
Too bad you didnt see this earlier- I wanted you to come and check it out and go for a spin before I left <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Louis
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As for the car, I know for sure that it's running a 12-bolt rear.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Jack, It still has the Stock 10 bolt with 4.10s. Ill borrow a 12 bolt again here shortly and Take a trip to the strip if weather permits.
Too bad you didnt see this earlier- I wanted you to come and check it out and go for a spin before I left <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Louis
Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers Ooops, my mistake. I guess I just proved how much I didn't know. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Anyhoo, yeah, Louis, I REALLY would have liked to go for a ride. On a side note, I'm damn close to pulling the trigger on my car so I'd like to talk to you about your new setup to see if I would be happy with it vs. the G5X-1. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Anyhoo, yeah, Louis, I REALLY would have liked to go for a ride. On a side note, I'm damn close to pulling the trigger on my car so I'd like to talk to you about your new setup to see if I would be happy with it vs. the G5X-1. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers In searches for cam/head packages I found it to be somewhat common place to have engineering specs withheld to a point. With LM and Cartek and others you may get lift, duration- LSA etc, but not ramp speeds. Holding back some specs allows sometime for the designer to reap the benefits for their labor before the cam is "copied". Several of these companies have custom grinds...and thats not cheap. It may start as a comp cam, but what you get from say LM or Cartek may only be available from them. Give these sponsors a break. Through research and their customers experiences, you can decide who's blowing smoke and who exagerates or not. Bottom line is you won't know what you will get until you lay some trust and cash on the line. It seems to me that Dyno's are for tuning and some of the sponsors that produce higher #'s are perhaps better tuners. (we all know the results can vary for several factors and that dyno numbers don'talways equate to 1/4 mile times) Just my 2 cents.
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Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bottom line is you won't know what you will get until you lay some trust and cash on the line. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">lotta Cash and trust to lay on the line i never said he should give out the complet specs, just dur/lft/lsa. that still leaves a would be copier to figure out alot one his own..
Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers What I find even more amusing are those folks who insist on spec disclosure, just keep bumping this thread to the top, gaining valuable exposure for LGMs products.
Great marketing, Lou!
Great marketing, Lou!
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Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by G2 LS1:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BurnOut:
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As for the car, I know for sure that it's running a 12-bolt rear.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Jack, It still has the Stock 10 bolt with 4.10s. Ill borrow a 12 bolt again here shortly and Take a trip to the strip if weather permits.
Louis </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL, borrowing a 12bolt AGAIN?
Townie. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BurnOut:
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As for the car, I know for sure that it's running a 12-bolt rear.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Jack, It still has the Stock 10 bolt with 4.10s. Ill borrow a 12 bolt again here shortly and Take a trip to the strip if weather permits.
Louis </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL, borrowing a 12bolt AGAIN?
Townie. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />
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Re: G5X-2 cam & head Dyno Numbers </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JF WS6:
<strong> Rutman,
Dude, that's the thing. You can't just buy the cam. This is (from all I've gathered) a full heads/cam package that is specifically targeted at going head to head w/ Cartek's "X" package which mostly has a following with the C5 crowd.
I'm sure that's why it's called the G5"X"-2.
The F-body this cam is installed in is just a Guinea Pig for the final heads/cam product targeted for C5's.
You'd probably have to buy the whole setup (with StageII LS6 heads) not to mention you won't be allowed to install it yourself. <img border="0" alt="[rainbow]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_rainbow.gif" />
It would be cool if you could just buy the cam... </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I never said it was going to be comparably as cheap as just a cam swap. And my budget will force me to wait, but why settle for something less. Not like it won't be around when I'm ready. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
I know it's not a common name but it is after all only five letters. R U T A N. Sorry, but I haven't received a piece of mail in almost a year with my name spelled correctly. OK Enough Venting.
<strong> Rutman,
Dude, that's the thing. You can't just buy the cam. This is (from all I've gathered) a full heads/cam package that is specifically targeted at going head to head w/ Cartek's "X" package which mostly has a following with the C5 crowd.
I'm sure that's why it's called the G5"X"-2.
The F-body this cam is installed in is just a Guinea Pig for the final heads/cam product targeted for C5's.
You'd probably have to buy the whole setup (with StageII LS6 heads) not to mention you won't be allowed to install it yourself. <img border="0" alt="[rainbow]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_rainbow.gif" />
It would be cool if you could just buy the cam... </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I never said it was going to be comparably as cheap as just a cam swap. And my budget will force me to wait, but why settle for something less. Not like it won't be around when I'm ready. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
I know it's not a common name but it is after all only five letters. R U T A N. Sorry, but I haven't received a piece of mail in almost a year with my name spelled correctly. OK Enough Venting.