View Poll Results: What setup of a 408 would you pick?
#1- Build motor completely N/A for ever. With 11.1 comp. Shooting for 500 hp/tq
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#2- Build motor with blower parts and low compression so in (2 years) you could get a blower.
76
19.54%
#3- Build motor same as #1 but add some nitrious type parts and then maybe put a bootle on it.
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Poll: What type of 408 would you build?
05-24-2005, 07:00 PM
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Heres an idea. I did not read all the posts so someone else might have shot this by you already. I would build the 408 to have 10.5 to 11.0-1 compression with a set of 5.3L heads. Run that for the time being N/A. Then when you are ready for the forced induction, switch the heads out for larger CC chambered ones like 6.0L heads or the Biggest CCed AFR head. The only other thing you might want to change would be the cam for a forced induction of your choice. Sounds like alot more work but here are the advantages to the way I see it.
1--- You can sell the 5.3L heads and the cam to anyone and still recover a nice price for them.
2--- You will only build one shortblock.
3--- You will make more power with the high compresion engine, and be happier for the next two years compared to the low compression N/A motor before the forced induction kit.
I am surtain you will be able to sell the parts when the time comes.
1--- You can sell the 5.3L heads and the cam to anyone and still recover a nice price for them.
2--- You will only build one shortblock.
3--- You will make more power with the high compresion engine, and be happier for the next two years compared to the low compression N/A motor before the forced induction kit.
I am surtain you will be able to sell the parts when the time comes.
05-25-2005, 12:16 AM
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Texas_WS6- I mos def like your thinking-I called the sponsor building my motor and they said almost the exact same thing. So now I think I had it narrowed down to the N/A spray motor then I hear this from the builder and you damn you guys are good but **** here we go again. 
I think I'm most happy about this thread and everyones help. Don't mean to sound
But there hasn't been one negative post so far. I appreciate the help and I am one step closer to choosing my setup I think 
No really I am 
I like the idea of the 5.3 heads but I'm just thinking it maybe too much work for me right now. But I'm still considering.
I think I'm most happy about this thread and everyones help. Don't mean to sound
But there hasn't been one negative post so far. I appreciate the help and I am one step closer to choosing my setup I think No really I am I like the idea of the 5.3 heads but I'm just thinking it maybe too much work for me right now. But I'm still considering.
05-25-2005, 08:07 AM
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LS2 block
afr225's
fast90
ls7 crank (maybe rods & block if not to expensive!)
i would be more than happy with a high 10 second capable car (i will never cage it or use a race suspenion)
that runs on pump gas and can be driven everyday.
afr225's
fast90
ls7 crank (maybe rods & block if not to expensive!)
i would be more than happy with a high 10 second capable car (i will never cage it or use a race suspenion)
that runs on pump gas and can be driven everyday.
05-25-2005, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 0fbody0
Low compression motor and a single turbo!!!!
Andy
Andy
Too bad that the phamspeed budjet turbo went up in price. 
05-31-2005, 07:44 AM
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Here is the setup I just build. I am also hoping for 500rwhp in an A4. Should have it up and running soon.
408ci iron block
6.0L block
Lunati LS1 Crank 4" Stroke
Lunati Billet LS1 Rods
Diamond Pistons
Diamond Pro-Select Rings
Federal Mogul Main Bearings (coated)
Federal Mogul Rod Bearings (coated)
Durabond Coated Cam Bearings
244-248 Cam
Mellings oil pump
LS2 Timing Chain
Comp R lifters
90/90 Fast Intake/ Throttle Body
AS Stage 2 241 Heads (I already had these)
12.5:1 CR
408ci iron block
6.0L block
Lunati LS1 Crank 4" Stroke
Lunati Billet LS1 Rods
Diamond Pistons
Diamond Pro-Select Rings
Federal Mogul Main Bearings (coated)
Federal Mogul Rod Bearings (coated)
Durabond Coated Cam Bearings
244-248 Cam
Mellings oil pump
LS2 Timing Chain
Comp R lifters
90/90 Fast Intake/ Throttle Body
AS Stage 2 241 Heads (I already had these)
12.5:1 CR
05-31-2005, 01:47 PM
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Well, i maybe a little biased, but im having Allan Futral build my setup right now, should be done in a week or two at the most(thank god)
setup as follows:
480 stroker
afr stage 3 hand ported heads
prob somewhere around 8:5 - 9:1 CR
GT55 turbo
cant remember all the specifics, but my buildup is considerably more expensive then the run of the mill setup due to it being a custom fabricated turbo kit. plus all new fuel lines, fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, inj's, etc... has been added in addition to the 12 bolt, subframes, and lots of other stuff.
i was originally gonna go NA and hoping for 550 rwhp, however half way through i changed my mind and decided if i was gonna do it right, do it right the first time.
hoping for 700+ rwhp on pump gas and 825-900 rwhp on race fuel.
Definately give him a call, however if you want him to build a setup for you, be prepared to wait a while, my cars been there since june of last year.
it will be well worth the wait though.
setup as follows:
480 stroker
afr stage 3 hand ported heads
prob somewhere around 8:5 - 9:1 CR
GT55 turbo
cant remember all the specifics, but my buildup is considerably more expensive then the run of the mill setup due to it being a custom fabricated turbo kit. plus all new fuel lines, fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, inj's, etc... has been added in addition to the 12 bolt, subframes, and lots of other stuff.
i was originally gonna go NA and hoping for 550 rwhp, however half way through i changed my mind and decided if i was gonna do it right, do it right the first time.
hoping for 700+ rwhp on pump gas and 825-900 rwhp on race fuel.
Definately give him a call, however if you want him to build a setup for you, be prepared to wait a while, my cars been there since june of last year.
it will be well worth the wait though.
05-31-2005, 05:47 PM
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well that is a bad *** set up right there. but i would definetly go with the solid roller 408ci with a 200 or more shot direct port through a TH400.... daily driver and "daily demon"
06-01-2005, 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 2000 Tran Zam
Well, i maybe a little biased, but im having Allan Futral build my setup right now, should be done in a week or two at the most(thank god)
setup as follows:
480 stroker
afr stage 3 hand ported heads
prob somewhere around 8:5 - 9:1 CR
GT55 turbo
cant remember all the specifics, but my buildup is considerably more expensive then the run of the mill setup due to it being a custom fabricated turbo kit. plus all new fuel lines, fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, inj's, etc... has been added in addition to the 12 bolt, subframes, and lots of other stuff.
i was originally gonna go NA and hoping for 550 rwhp, however half way through i changed my mind and decided if i was gonna do it right, do it right the first time.
hoping for 700+ rwhp on pump gas and 825-900 rwhp on race fuel.
Definately give him a call, however if you want him to build a setup for you, be prepared to wait a while, my cars been there since june of last year.
it will be well worth the wait though.
setup as follows:
480 stroker
afr stage 3 hand ported heads
prob somewhere around 8:5 - 9:1 CR
GT55 turbo
cant remember all the specifics, but my buildup is considerably more expensive then the run of the mill setup due to it being a custom fabricated turbo kit. plus all new fuel lines, fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, inj's, etc... has been added in addition to the 12 bolt, subframes, and lots of other stuff.
i was originally gonna go NA and hoping for 550 rwhp, however half way through i changed my mind and decided if i was gonna do it right, do it right the first time.
hoping for 700+ rwhp on pump gas and 825-900 rwhp on race fuel.
Definately give him a call, however if you want him to build a setup for you, be prepared to wait a while, my cars been there since june of last year.
it will be well worth the wait though.
06-01-2005, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by lilbuddy1587
You aint gonna touch 700+ on pump here in az, especially with an 89 octane tune or even ur little 89-91 mix. It's gonna take a lot of meth and or just run around on a 91/100 mix all the time. Sorry bud, not with the shitty gas we got. Your numbers for race fuel sound decent tho
i dunno man, talk to futral. i told him what i wanted, he knows the conditions out here with shitty fuel/air temps, so i can only assume hes gonna correct everything to make it work.
just out of curiosity, what do u think my setup will be good for on pump gas out here if its not gonna touch 700+ rwhp?
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06-01-2005, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by lilbuddy1587
You aint gonna touch 700+ on pump here in az, especially with an 89 octane tune or even ur little 89-91 mix. It's gonna take a lot of meth and or just run around on a 91/100 mix all the time. Sorry bud, not with the shitty gas we got. Your numbers for race fuel sound decent tho
and what about all the supras out here runnin 600, 700 hp on pump gas? i know they are completely different motors, but they are still making power in the same range im looking for. their motors are much smaller, even with those huge *** turbos and multiple pounds of boost, they all arent using meth kits/race fuel.
i just raced my buddies supra, 542 rwhp on stock fuel system and a smaller turbo. with as much money i spent on the setup, id hope to get what i wanted and planned for
06-01-2005, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 2000 Tran Zam
and what about all the supras out here runnin 600, 700 hp on pump gas? i know they are completely different motors, but they are still making power in the same range im looking for. their motors are much smaller, even with those huge *** turbos and multiple pounds of boost, they all arent using meth kits/race fuel.
i just raced my buddies supra, 542 rwhp on stock fuel system and a smaller turbo. with as much money i spent on the setup, id hope to get what i wanted and planned for
i just raced my buddies supra, 542 rwhp on stock fuel system and a smaller turbo. with as much money i spent on the setup, id hope to get what i wanted and planned for
Most supras run around with race gas mixed with premium/straight race gas or pump usng meth. By all means I'm not bashing your motor/setup man, but the conditions here just arent good AT ALL! Dont let them B/S you man, it just doesnt happen here. I mean look at trents stang, he dont make that much on pump, and neither did/does doug with his TT old 346 and his new 408. Doug made GREAT power with his 346 using meth/pump gas tho. You also have to take into account that HEAT will OWN YOU here man hehe, especially coupled with the gas. So best of luck to you man.
06-01-2005, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 2000 Tran Zam
i dunno man, talk to futral. i told him what i wanted, he knows the conditions out here with shitty fuel/air temps, so i can only assume hes gonna correct everything to make it work.
just out of curiosity, what do u think my setup will be good for on pump gas out here if its not gonna touch 700+ rwhp?
touche
just out of curiosity, what do u think my setup will be good for on pump gas out here if its not gonna touch 700+ rwhp?
touche
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