Best low end torque cam for LS1..
I have not posted in a while, but I saw this thread and thought I would chime in. My car is a daily driver, in and out of traffic. I had a 224/112 cam and it was lacking on the low end torque side.
I switched to a VINCE/Crane 056 cam with 216/224 dur @.050, 551 lift @ valve, and 115 degree LSA. It makes a ton of torque. I was having it dynoed when it broke the lockup on my TCI 2500 converter at close to 400 ft lbs of torque. My transmission has 106,000 miles on it so when we ran it unlocked it only pulled 367 ft lbs. of torque. I think you would like this cam. I love it! It pulls strong past 6000 rpms and it also has a nice choppy idle which I like.
I switched to a VINCE/Crane 056 cam with 216/224 dur @.050, 551 lift @ valve, and 115 degree LSA. It makes a ton of torque. I was having it dynoed when it broke the lockup on my TCI 2500 converter at close to 400 ft lbs of torque. My transmission has 106,000 miles on it so when we ran it unlocked it only pulled 367 ft lbs. of torque. I think you would like this cam. I love it! It pulls strong past 6000 rpms and it also has a nice choppy idle which I like.
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Originally Posted by Deeavi
I have not posted in a while, but I saw this thread and thought I would chime in. My car is a daily driver, in and out of traffic. I had a 224/112 cam and it was lacking on the low end torque side.
I switched to a VINCE/Crane 056 cam with 216/224 dur @.050, 551 lift @ valve, and 115 degree LSA. It makes a ton of torque. I was having it dynoed when it broke the lockup on my TCI 2500 converter at close to 400 ft lbs of torque. My transmission has 106,000 miles on it so when we ran it unlocked it only pulled 367 ft lbs. of torque. I think you would like this cam. I love it! It pulls strong past 6000 rpms and it also has a nice choppy idle which I like.
I switched to a VINCE/Crane 056 cam with 216/224 dur @.050, 551 lift @ valve, and 115 degree LSA. It makes a ton of torque. I was having it dynoed when it broke the lockup on my TCI 2500 converter at close to 400 ft lbs of torque. My transmission has 106,000 miles on it so when we ran it unlocked it only pulled 367 ft lbs. of torque. I think you would like this cam. I love it! It pulls strong past 6000 rpms and it also has a nice choppy idle which I like.
Originally Posted by SSCoulter
Thanks! That sounds exactly like the cam I want.
But if you really want abundant low end torque, you're going to want an Ausie cam (smaller duration, narrower LSA). You won't get many recommendations for them because not many people in North America have tried them.
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
That Vinci cam is a good one, but not as good as that same cam on a 113LSA. It will be even torquier. Vinci sells that one too. They also sell the 113LSA cam with more lift. If I was going to buy a Vinci cam, THAT's the one I'd get.
But if you really want abundant low end torque, you're going to want an Ausie cam (smaller duration, narrower LSA). You won't get many recommendations for them because not many people in North America have tried them.
But if you really want abundant low end torque, you're going to want an Ausie cam (smaller duration, narrower LSA). You won't get many recommendations for them because not many people in North America have tried them.
Originally Posted by Patrick G
But if you really want abundant low end torque, you're going to want an Ausie cam (smaller duration, narrower LSA). You won't get many recommendations for them because not many people in North America have tried them.
Originally Posted by patSS/00
Why would smaller LSA = more low end torque? I thought for more torque you wanted less overlap = more LSA ...?
For example
210/216 106LSA cam = 1 degree of overlap at .050"
220/226 110LSA cam = 3 degrees of overlap at .050"
230/236 114LSA cam = 5 degrees of overlap at .050"
So even though my LSA got 4 degrees wider in each successive cam, the overlap grew as well. LSA and overlap do not necessarily go hand in hand.
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Originally Posted by SSCoulter
Thanks, I was leaning toward the duration and lift he was talking about not the LSA so much. Thanks to you and a few others I am convinced the smaller duration, narrower LSA is the way to go. 216/224 midium lift and a narrow LSA is the ticket I think.
With your M6 I believe the 113 LSA would probably be the better choice also!
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Thanks for everyone's input. I have decided to go with the Vinci 062 cam. Here are the specs.
"ASP-KICKER 2" Ultra torque cam
STREET / STRIP CAM - HIGH LIFT
POWER RANGE 1900 TO 6000
CRISP THROTTLE RESPONSE - LOADS OF "TORQUE"
" DRIVE - INN " IDLE
DUR @ .050" 210*/218*LIFT .551 / .551 OVERLAP 52* LSA 112*
"ASP-KICKER 2" Ultra torque cam
STREET / STRIP CAM - HIGH LIFT
POWER RANGE 1900 TO 6000
CRISP THROTTLE RESPONSE - LOADS OF "TORQUE"
" DRIVE - INN " IDLE
DUR @ .050" 210*/218*LIFT .551 / .551 OVERLAP 52* LSA 112*
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Originally Posted by SSCoulter
Thanks for everyone's input. I have decided to go with the Vinci 062 cam. Here are the specs.
"ASP-KICKER 2" Ultra torque cam
STREET / STRIP CAM - HIGH LIFT
POWER RANGE 1900 TO 6000
CRISP THROTTLE RESPONSE - LOADS OF "TORQUE"
" DRIVE - INN " IDLE
DUR @ .050" 210*/218*LIFT .551 / .551 OVERLAP 52* LSA 112*
"ASP-KICKER 2" Ultra torque cam
STREET / STRIP CAM - HIGH LIFT
POWER RANGE 1900 TO 6000
CRISP THROTTLE RESPONSE - LOADS OF "TORQUE"
" DRIVE - INN " IDLE
DUR @ .050" 210*/218*LIFT .551 / .551 OVERLAP 52* LSA 112*
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Originally Posted by Corpsvette
So will this have a lot of lope? Not sure what drive inn idle is. Love this thread. What to do, what to do?
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I've been reading a lot of cam threads, and this is probably the most interesting one. Right now I am running a TR230/224 "Reverse Split" cam on 111 LSA, and I would say it is "ok". With stock heads, u/d pulley, elec. water pump and hooker LTs I put down 370 RWHP / 359 RWTQ.
I am about to do a cam swap, and I pretty much want the same thing - more low end torque from idle on up. This cam I have now had a noticeable drop in low-end grunt, even with tuning.
Can someone recommend me a cam that will work well with the mods I mentioned and be able to pass state emissions? I do not care much if it is lopey or not. My current considerations were:
MTI Stealth Cam II
F14
TR CheaTR
TR Old Man Cam
Cam Mentioned in this thread:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/72972-224-224-110lsa-106icl-cam-dyno-results-very-happy.html
I like the idea of that aussie came with the low intake duration and higher exhaust duration...
Which of the above cams would pass emissions, and of those which would provide the best results?
I am about to do a cam swap, and I pretty much want the same thing - more low end torque from idle on up. This cam I have now had a noticeable drop in low-end grunt, even with tuning.
Can someone recommend me a cam that will work well with the mods I mentioned and be able to pass state emissions? I do not care much if it is lopey or not. My current considerations were:
MTI Stealth Cam II
F14
TR CheaTR
TR Old Man Cam
Cam Mentioned in this thread:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/72972-224-224-110lsa-106icl-cam-dyno-results-very-happy.html
I like the idea of that aussie came with the low intake duration and higher exhaust duration...
Which of the above cams would pass emissions, and of those which would provide the best results?
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I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels this way. I don't give a crap about the dyno numbers. To many "Dyno Queens" running around out there now. I want a car that pulls like a freight train between idle and 6k. Stoplight to stoplight, yeah come get some.
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Originally Posted by SSCoulter
Thanks for everyone's input. I have decided to go with the Vinci 062 cam. Here are the specs.
"ASP-KICKER 2" Ultra torque cam
STREET / STRIP CAM - HIGH LIFT
POWER RANGE 1900 TO 6000
CRISP THROTTLE RESPONSE - LOADS OF "TORQUE"
" DRIVE - INN " IDLE
DUR @ .050" 210*/218*LIFT .551 / .551 OVERLAP 52* LSA 112*
"ASP-KICKER 2" Ultra torque cam
STREET / STRIP CAM - HIGH LIFT
POWER RANGE 1900 TO 6000
CRISP THROTTLE RESPONSE - LOADS OF "TORQUE"
" DRIVE - INN " IDLE
DUR @ .050" 210*/218*LIFT .551 / .551 OVERLAP 52* LSA 112*
Originally Posted by SSCoulter
I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels this way. I don't give a crap about the dyno numbers. To many "Dyno Queens" running around out there now. I want a car that pulls like a freight train between idle and 6k. Stoplight to stoplight, yeah come get some.
Originally Posted by SSCoulter
Touched a nerve uh? lol 
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Originally Posted by Cal
Nope, didn't touch a nerve with me. I just think you're missing out to go with that smaller cam. But then, I went with a small cam the first time too, and I think many people have wound up doing two cam swaps. Seriously, if you don't have it installed yet, I would consider trading it for at least a 224 cam. I doubt you could tell that "kicker" cam from stock if blindfolded. The stock cam is actually the best "torque" cam you could have. But what do you want, a tractor or a race car?
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
I think you are missing the point. TRQ and HP are directly related. Trq is what gives you a good 60' which is where 70% of the races are won. Why do people go big cubes? For more trq.
Combo, combo, combo
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
I think you are missing the point. TRQ and HP are directly related. Trq is what gives you a good 60' which is where 70% of the races are won. Why do people go big cubes? For more trq.
Combo, combo, combo
Combo, combo, combo
OK here's another example: A large diesel semi-truck has to pull huge loads up steep hills. It needs torque to do this, but we really don't care how long it takes, as long as it does it. The engine in this truck might only have 150 hp, but it has 600 ft-lbs of torque.
In contrast, a dedicated race car is lightweight and doesn't need a lot of torque to move it's weight. It may have only 150 ft-lbs of torque, but it has 600 hp. We are most interested in how FAST the race car can do it's job, not how much weight it can pull.
As for combo, take a look at his sig. He has an fbody, not a truck so he is not towing nor does he have a heavy vehicle. He has an LS1 engine with 4.10 gears, so he isn't hurting for torque at the rear axle. A better match for his combo is a cam with some duration IMO.
You probably think my cam is too big, but my dyno graph shows that it is putting out almost 300 ft-lbs of torque at 1750 rpm. That's a pretty low rpm to launch at, and capable of spinning any tire through 4.11 gears. Peak torque is 400 fl-lbs at 4800 rpm. LS1 engines are putting out as mush torque as big block engines did in the old days.
Last edited by Cal; Jun 11, 2005 at 11:34 AM.