PRC Update --> 1QuickT-A Cylinder Head Offer!!!
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Y2K SS call me tomorrow. I will gladly swap heads for you, but like I said before the rocker bolts are suppose to go into the intake ports & the chambers aren't completely cnc'd because we're trying to keep the compression up. Give me a call & we will do a set up differently if you would like. I don't want anyone to be unhappy!
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Tony I fixed the post about pricing & I'm sorry if it was inaccurate!
Lets keep this post positive guys I'm not trying to start sheeeet in here, I just want a opportunity to defend my product fairly.
We have had procedures in place now that insure cylinder heads meet certain flow & clearances specs before they are shipped out the door. It's only fair that if we're going to compare cylinder heads that we compare whats available now. Am I wrong??
Lets keep this post positive guys I'm not trying to start sheeeet in here, I just want a opportunity to defend my product fairly.
We have had procedures in place now that insure cylinder heads meet certain flow & clearances specs before they are shipped out the door. It's only fair that if we're going to compare cylinder heads that we compare whats available now. Am I wrong??
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Moderators please don't lock down this thread I spent all weekend defending our product & I think this is a good way to give a good comparison. I redid my post to change all the parts that Tony disagrees with.
I'm not trying to post information that is incorrect, I just want a accurate discusion.
I'm not trying to post information that is incorrect, I just want a accurate discusion.
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Originally Posted by Jason 98 TA
Y2K SS call me tomorrow. I will gladly swap heads for you, but like I said before the rocker bolts are suppose to go into the intake ports & the chambers aren't completely cnc'd because we're trying to keep the compression up. Give me a call & we will do a set up differently if you would like. I don't want anyone to be unhappy!
Thanks Jason... I'll definately do that. I was refering to the bowl thing. It's good to see your on it Jay. What is it like 12:30 am there??
Y2K SS, you better upgrade those PRC heads to Stage 3.5's if you want to run with me soon... JZ's TA knows what im talking bout! Now back to regular scheduled programing. Good Thread Jason.
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shot you a im, not sure what your talking about bowl thing.
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Y2K SS, you better upgrade those PRC heads to Stage 3.5's if you want to run with me soon... JZ's TA knows what im talking bout! Now back to regular scheduled programing. Good Thread Jason.
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Tony I also deleted our blowout pricing on your 205 cylinder heads. I still nolonger want to carry AFR products after this, I will however honor your pricing rules in a attempt to defuse some of this situation.
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Last edited by Jason 98 TA; Jul 21, 2005 at 01:51 AM.
Sounds ilke theres hard feelings if you are actually going to stop carrying AFR products.. keep in mind it was YOUR head that flowed shitty, not theirs. It would have been posted if anywhere had flowed it. AFR or not.
However, with that being said.. I'm just posting to say thank you for backing up your product, and that I would like to see results. I have been using PRC valvesprings, and perhaps one day for my gto prc heads might not be out of the question.. it'd be good to see how it stacks up.
Peace,
Josh
However, with that being said.. I'm just posting to say thank you for backing up your product, and that I would like to see results. I have been using PRC valvesprings, and perhaps one day for my gto prc heads might not be out of the question.. it'd be good to see how it stacks up.
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i had this exact "back to back" comparison idea a couple weeks ago when everyone's panties got in a bind...glad to see somebody do a days work for an effort like this.
i have wondered why a shop/company hasn't done this before, not because of some bickering crap, but to demonstrate their product against the competition.
direct comparison is good...
i have wondered why a shop/company hasn't done this before, not because of some bickering crap, but to demonstrate their product against the competition.
direct comparison is good...
You can make the comparison "fair" by using thinner/thicker head gaskets. But I am sure that anyone, like Matt, that buys a set of 5.3's is doing so for the extra compression, and yep you can mill AFRs to make the compression match, but then you get the arguement that the heads flow with the chamber at xx cc's, and this that and the other.
Jason two fold on the stepping up part. I remember another shop, PP, that churned out cyl heads, under supervision of the same guy thats "hand finishing" your current PRC's, and their customer service was top notch, eventually the beast reared its ugly head and the quality or lack of was apparent. Now, fast forward, and I can only hope that this same bullshit doesnt happen here. Understand its not easy to bring this up, but TSP used to support PP as much as Gomer. Then it all stopped. Talking with Terry it was not him, it was the actual owner that wouldnt make the changes, so he left, you stopped carrying his product, and Terry is still finishing heads, which are brought on here to be suspect. You make changes to the QC, so did PP! Scary the irony of business and life, and how the circle we run with talks stories about our character.
*This is not meant to be bashing. Seriously, it is irony at its worst.*
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Jason two fold on the stepping up part. I remember another shop, PP, that churned out cyl heads, under supervision of the same guy thats "hand finishing" your current PRC's, and their customer service was top notch, eventually the beast reared its ugly head and the quality or lack of was apparent. Now, fast forward, and I can only hope that this same bullshit doesnt happen here. Understand its not easy to bring this up, but TSP used to support PP as much as Gomer. Then it all stopped. Talking with Terry it was not him, it was the actual owner that wouldnt make the changes, so he left, you stopped carrying his product, and Terry is still finishing heads, which are brought on here to be suspect. You make changes to the QC, so did PP! Scary the irony of business and life, and how the circle we run with talks stories about our character.
*This is not meant to be bashing. Seriously, it is irony at its worst.*
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CAT3,
This isn't really irony at all, just a example of not having your story right. Terry only recently started finishing the cylinder heads. I have the upmost of confidence in what Terry does. If Terry had done the cylinder heads that we are discussing then I would agree, but he did not. The finish work was moved to Racetech because Terry is so talented at getting heads to flow.
I also disagree about decking the AFR's to match compression. Aren't we comparing out of the box to out of the box? I think the bigger compression is definately a plus, kind of like afr's smaller runner is a plus.
This isn't really irony at all, just a example of not having your story right. Terry only recently started finishing the cylinder heads. I have the upmost of confidence in what Terry does. If Terry had done the cylinder heads that we are discussing then I would agree, but he did not. The finish work was moved to Racetech because Terry is so talented at getting heads to flow.
I also disagree about decking the AFR's to match compression. Aren't we comparing out of the box to out of the box? I think the bigger compression is definately a plus, kind of like afr's smaller runner is a plus.
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Guys every cylinder head company in the world has had problems at sometime or another. Yet we were completely grilled on the exact procedures & who's doing what on everything when one set of heads didn't flow correct air. I go into alot of detail on how everything is done with the PRC heads when alot of companies would not. We are here to build the best quality cylinder head possible. One set of cylinder heads have a issue & it's like it's the end of the world. We have new procedures & new tricks that make our current cylinder head the best cylinder head for stock cid engines IMHO.
If I felt Terry @ Racetech wasn't the best person to be finsihing the heads then we would go a different route. Even Terry would agree that if there was a better method for finishing them then we would do it.
I think alot of time Terry gets a bad rap because he came from Patriot. Keep in mind the quality issues did not leave when Terry left PP. I think both Terry & Patriot made some definate mistakes back in the day or they probably would have taken over the market & everyone (including us) would be running their products. That did not happen for whatever reasons that doesn't need to be discussed in this thread. As a result there is still alot of cylinder head competition out there & the customers are the ones that benefit from it. We started developing because we thought we could make the best cylinder head available. IMHO that's what we're doing now
Give us a chance to fix this ONE set of cylinder heads before you compare this situation to a situation where cylinder head issues were ALOT more common.
If I felt Terry @ Racetech wasn't the best person to be finsihing the heads then we would go a different route. Even Terry would agree that if there was a better method for finishing them then we would do it.
I think alot of time Terry gets a bad rap because he came from Patriot. Keep in mind the quality issues did not leave when Terry left PP. I think both Terry & Patriot made some definate mistakes back in the day or they probably would have taken over the market & everyone (including us) would be running their products. That did not happen for whatever reasons that doesn't need to be discussed in this thread. As a result there is still alot of cylinder head competition out there & the customers are the ones that benefit from it. We started developing because we thought we could make the best cylinder head available. IMHO that's what we're doing now
Give us a chance to fix this ONE set of cylinder heads before you compare this situation to a situation where cylinder head issues were ALOT more common.
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Guys keep in mind that I'm at the shop all day long, if your not sure about something give me a call. I'd be more than happy to sit down & explain all the features & procedures that we use to create a great cylinder head. False information could be the downfall of this post. If you have a question just give me a call
To keep up with cylinder head demand we are curently interviewing several School of Automotive Machinist graduates to select someone to finish cylinder heads in house. By finishing heads here & at Racetech we can offer a wider selection of products & increase our cylinder head producing capacity Keep in mind Terry will help train the new machinist so we make sure the heads are finished to perfection! There will be no training people off the street to finish cylinder heads, we know how important this step of the cylinder heads proccess is & as a result we will only employee the best. Alot of companies don't include a flow sheet, or provide flow sheets for a similar head. We now package a flow sheet specific to each cylinder head for all of our customers! Like I said before if someone isn't 100% happy with their PRC purchase then we're not happy.
To keep up with cylinder head demand we are curently interviewing several School of Automotive Machinist graduates to select someone to finish cylinder heads in house. By finishing heads here & at Racetech we can offer a wider selection of products & increase our cylinder head producing capacity
Keep in mind Terry will help train the new machinist so we make sure the heads are finished to perfection! There will be no training people off the street to finish cylinder heads, we know how important this step of the cylinder heads proccess is & as a result we will only employee the best. Alot of companies don't include a flow sheet, or provide flow sheets for a similar head. We now package a flow sheet specific to each cylinder head for all of our customers! Like I said before if someone isn't 100% happy with their PRC purchase then we're not happy.
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Last edited by Jason 98 TA; Jul 21, 2005 at 06:39 AM.
Matt,
After you pick up the heads and have seen them flowed on racetech's bench, we will more than happy for you to swing by here, and you can witness the test on our Superflow 1020. This will assure both companies and the members of this forum, that impartial flow data for the heads used in this test has been gathered. More than likely you will drive right by us on the way to pick up your heads. Guess you could say we are located in the "DMZ" for this particular battle.
After you pick up the heads and have seen them flowed on racetech's bench, we will more than happy for you to swing by here, and you can witness the test on our Superflow 1020. This will assure both companies and the members of this forum, that impartial flow data for the heads used in this test has been gathered. More than likely you will drive right by us on the way to pick up your heads. Guess you could say we are located in the "DMZ" for this particular battle.
If the compression ratio is seen as an advantage, shouldn't a set of 5.7 heads be used in the comparison instead of 5.3s? I would think a set of 5.7 heads would have similar compression to the AFRs.
I am waiting eagerly for these results .
I am waiting eagerly for these results
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Well what about AFR's casting. Is it not an advantage. AFR makes good heads, and I haven't heard a complaint yet. I personally don't care for Tony that much though. He seems too "I'm the best and everyone else sucks" kind of person. From this thread alone I don't understand his intentions. I don't see why he wouldn't want to do this test. Or why he's seems so pissed at TSP. But then again I don't see why TSP basically was calling Tony a liar because he gave crappy flow numbers. Why don't people just wait for a response on why these heads sucked so badly. One set of heads sucked, so now all of the sudden TSP sucks. Now you are comparing TSP with Patriot. 
I really don't know where this competition with AFR/PRC came from. I just want to know what is wrong with the heads that flowed crappy.
I really don't know where this competition with AFR/PRC came from. I just want to know what is wrong with the heads that flowed crappy.