Has anyone heard of the Crane Cams Z-Cam kit?
07-28-2005, 03:55 PM
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Has anyone heard of the Crane Cams Z-Cam kit? I was looking into buying it but after purchasing the springs, rocker arms, and zcam it came out being a good amount of money. I wanted to know if anyone has this kit and also how much HP your making. Supposably this kit gives you 150 more HP so thats more than 400 RWHP on my car then? Also will this work good as a head and cam or will you gain more HP doing another head and cam? Dont know what to buy yet. Thanks For the help
07-28-2005, 04:05 PM
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Crane cams Z series for the LS1 are the 14495xx part numbers that are designed to be used with their acclerated rocker kits. I have the 1449561 (don't be fooled by the small #'s) with the 1.8 rockers, dual springs w/Ti retainers, tuned with handheld. Car runs very well, idles at 650 in gear and clicks off 12.50's @ 109.
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I have an EXPERIENCE with this set-up. I have the complete Z-Cam package/valvetrain installed on my 2000 TA. At the same time I installed an exhaust system as well; LTs, no cats, and true duals. Soundwise the car sounds bad ***, BUT I did not get even CLOSE to a 150 HP gain. I truly think this is false advertising. The closest I ever hit was 357 HP with my torque converter locked up! Crane has a project car where they show a big gain but I did not see anything like that with my car. I was pretty disappointed because they GUARANTEE at least 15-20% gain with your stock #'s. So I should be hitting around 370 with all my mods - ya right, VERY FALSE ADVERTISING! 
08-02-2005, 08:40 AM
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Hey Gang, I'm in R&D so don't blame me, but please read the ad!!! "Z-Cams are a family of cams designed for everyday performance street use in "Z" type cars (Camaros, Mustangs,etc) As a responsible manufacturer, we have designed this family so it will be able to comply with all applicable emissions laws. In our advertising of "Z-Cams" for the LSx family, we state that this family of cams will allow a power increase of up to 150HP (naturally aspirated) when used with the proper additional "bolt-on power adders" (such as Quick-Lift rockers, good valve springs, headers, high flow exhaust, ported throttle body, good intake, etc.) In fact, we have had customers who have made over 150HP with a Z-cam and complimentary power adders.
The objective with these cams is to provide a valve train that provides great throttle response, great driveability in traffic or on the highway, pretty good fuel economy (we say our Street Shark averages 23MPG. Actually it is averaging 24.5MPG on a 110 mile round trip to work every day! It also has over 60,000 miles on the Crane dual springs and they still have within 5# of the original seat pressure!), and be a cam design that allows other power adders to contribute to their full potential. We think we have succeeded, but of course everyone has their opinions. We are making 401RWHP consistently in the Florida heat with a car that has a 216* @ .050 intake lobe. That's the point!
Could we make more HP with a bigger cam? Sure, but we would sacrifice the driveability level and reliability level we were seeking. We have never said that a Z-Cam kit would provide 150Hp by itself. That is absurd and no cam will do that! Can other cams provide 150+ HP with similar power adders? Sure, but we think you would be hard pressed to beat our combination of throttle response (look at the torque from 2000-4000RPM), power, fuel economy, driveability, reliability, and emissions compilance capability. Do we offer bigger cams than the Z-cam? You bet, right now, we have 84 different profiles for the LSx engine as designed cams, and we are adding to that each week.
In closing, please read ads and articles carefully. All manufacturers want to maximize the image of the product. When in doubt, question the ads as you have done here; but please read them thoroughly. Playing on words is done all the time on evening newscasts. They say: coffee might lead to breast cancer or something else; but the word "might" also means "might not". Please read carefully. Hope this helps!
Mark Campbell
VP, R&D, Crane Cams, Inc.
The objective with these cams is to provide a valve train that provides great throttle response, great driveability in traffic or on the highway, pretty good fuel economy (we say our Street Shark averages 23MPG. Actually it is averaging 24.5MPG on a 110 mile round trip to work every day! It also has over 60,000 miles on the Crane dual springs and they still have within 5# of the original seat pressure!), and be a cam design that allows other power adders to contribute to their full potential. We think we have succeeded, but of course everyone has their opinions. We are making 401RWHP consistently in the Florida heat with a car that has a 216* @ .050 intake lobe. That's the point!
Could we make more HP with a bigger cam? Sure, but we would sacrifice the driveability level and reliability level we were seeking. We have never said that a Z-Cam kit would provide 150Hp by itself. That is absurd and no cam will do that! Can other cams provide 150+ HP with similar power adders? Sure, but we think you would be hard pressed to beat our combination of throttle response (look at the torque from 2000-4000RPM), power, fuel economy, driveability, reliability, and emissions compilance capability. Do we offer bigger cams than the Z-cam? You bet, right now, we have 84 different profiles for the LSx engine as designed cams, and we are adding to that each week.
In closing, please read ads and articles carefully. All manufacturers want to maximize the image of the product. When in doubt, question the ads as you have done here; but please read them thoroughly. Playing on words is done all the time on evening newscasts. They say: coffee might lead to breast cancer or something else; but the word "might" also means "might not". Please read carefully. Hope this helps!
Mark Campbell
VP, R&D, Crane Cams, Inc.
08-02-2005, 03:44 PM
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You bet, right now, we have 84 different profiles for the LSx engine as designed cams, and we are adding to that each week.
Mark Campbell
VP, R&D, Crane Cams, Inc.
Mark Campbell
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Is there any one location that provides the information on all these profiles? I have been struggling with rocker arm/cam selection and referring to both the Crane and Vinci web site, and at this point confusion reigns supreme, at least in my head
08-02-2005, 04:30 PM
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This info is being addressed at the present time. Our website, www.cranecams.com, has a box on the front page where you can enter a cam part number or grind number and a spec card is provided. For some reason the LSx custom grinds are not accessible there. It is not a conspiracy, just an oversite on the part of the webmaster. These "custom grind" specs will be available very soon. To access them, use the number 144HR000xx. 144 is the prefix for LSx cams, HR means hydraulic roller, and 000xx is the sequence number of when the grind was developed. For instance, 144HR00062 is a custom grind camshaft that is 210*/218* @ .050 lifter rise with .551/.551 lift (with 1.7 ratio rockers) and an LSA of 112*. The spec card would show all of the valve events, etc. These specs should be available in a week or so. FYI, our LSx cam family starts with 144HR00001, but the "Quick-lift" profiles do not start until 144HR00040. After you scroll past the HR's you will enter the R's (solid rollers) and SR's (Street rollers). Also on the site is our lobe profile catalog. Any of the LS1 profiles can be combined , intake and exhaust, on any LSA to provide any custom cam you want. It is very easy to design your own!!! Hope this helps!
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08-09-2005, 01:57 AM
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yeah but should'nt fasttagurl be making those 400+RWHP? The car has about every bolt on and the complete Zcam kit. Something went bad? Thanks for the responses
08-09-2005, 07:42 AM
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Depends on how the vehicle is tuned. We have taken a test car to several reputable shops and have seen over 40hp variation from the tuning. Anytime you are into custom mods involving a cam, tuning is crucial. There are tuners and there are TUNERS!!!
08-09-2005, 08:47 AM
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Also, these figures were based on the use of a cylinder head package as well as the standard bolt ons. I didn't see that fasttagurl has a cylinder head package. You can see what parts were used on the street shark. Joe.
08-09-2005, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Vinci
Also, these figures were based on the use of a cylinder head package as well as the standard bolt ons. I didn't see that fasttagurl has a cylinder head package. You can see what parts were used on the street shark. Joe.
08-09-2005, 07:26 PM
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great choice vettenuts, just installed AFR 205 with boss II cam, 1.8 crane rocker kit. crane duals, 7.325 pushrods, with other stuff in sig, tuned with vhp tuner, car is unbelievably quick. disable A/H, and you have your hands full! next mod is a yank SS3200
08-09-2005, 09:11 PM
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d james, I have the 220/224 cam with the 1.8 RR and it is fine as a daily driver. I personnally would not want a bigger cam, particularly if you have a lot of stop and go traffic. But there are those out there that prefer more cam. I will post some numbers soon.
