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Originally Posted by 1BadStream
dood, I have learned more information than i could ever use in my application and I never post. the search button is gold. 
Originally Posted by 1Hawk
Just remember you are the one spending the money and the one who has to drive this car not your mechanic or anyone else on here.
like a muthafucka 
i agree with whats been stated in the thread already, dont rush into making a cam dicision. most people research for months just to narrow it down to a handful of choices. the S cam looks good, however there arent very many comparisons of real world 346's that i've seen. it all depends on what your looking for and the intended application. the S IMO looks better suited for the track, carries great power too 7k and has some good top end pull. the low end tq is bit soggy to me. ~375 peak and thats with top of the line bolt ons (kooks, Fast 90, ect). you can always go the road more traveled and go with the venerable FM13. results can be found with a myriad of combinations so it gives you an better overall view of what the cam is capable. you've got to look at both the high and low end of the spectrums to get an average. dont expect to just throw in the cam and best or equal some of thee 440rwhp cam only setups that have come with the FM13.
bottom line its your decision.
narrowed down between....
->XE-R 232/236 .595/.602 114lsa +1advance
->g5-x2 232/240 .595/.608
->TSP 233/237 .598/.603
->F-14 232/234 .598/.598 112 OR 114 LSA
->TSP 25MS3 MAGIC STICK 237/242 .603/.609 113(CLEARS STOCK PISTONS WITH STOCK HEADS)
let me know what you all think...
->XE-R 232/236 .595/.602 114lsa +1advance
->g5-x2 232/240 .595/.608
->TSP 233/237 .598/.603
->F-14 232/234 .598/.598 112 OR 114 LSA
->TSP 25MS3 MAGIC STICK 237/242 .603/.609 113(CLEARS STOCK PISTONS WITH STOCK HEADS)
let me know what you all think...
Originally Posted by infiniti racing
sorry forgot to mention its has 3:73 gears and underdrive pulleys... its a daily driver and i want to get the most hp possible... but not have some insane *** cam... i dont know near as much as you all do... so that is why im posting this.. sorry for the confusion i just want to get the right cam...
Can you define what an "insane *** cam" is? I've put countless S cams in daily driven vehicles, and never had one person come back and say, "This cam is too big, i don't like the way it drives". The only comments I ever get are that they can't believe how GOOD the cam drives. I have guys who's wives daily drive S cams in their GTO's, and they're nothing but happy.
The cars drive like stock, but just make much more power
The only noticeable thing about the S cam is the idle. It idles lopier than stock, haha. But everything else is perfect. The only thing in my opinion that makes a cam too big is when the person tuning it can't make it run right. And that happens all the time.
Bring it to me and it'll be like the factory installed it. No problems. If you don't like it I'll take it out of the car and put it back to stock for free.
Chuck
Originally Posted by Chuck@HPE
Bring it to me and it'll be like the factory installed it. No problems. If you don't like it I'll take it out of the car and put it back to stock for free.
Chuck
Chuck
Originally Posted by 777
Now who would ever drive a cammed ls1 and say I don't like it, put it back to stock
Chuck
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Realize that these cams with 230+ duration have powerbands in the 4500-7K range.... below that a 224/224 or 225/225 cam will kick its butt.
I plotted my dyno graph against a friend with nearly identical mods (I have AFR 205's and he has GTP Stage 3 5.3's). I had a 233/239 and he was running a 225/225 both on 112LSA's. He made 40rwhp more at 2500-4K and 30rwtq torque more. From 4-6K the difference was smaller... and only at 6200rpm+ did my car outperform his. He made 428rwhp and I made 431rwhp on that session..... I don't have as much problem keeping the tires planted in 2nd/3rd as him... but he has much more mid range power... mine has to really be wrung out to get all the power out of it.
Just a few more ideas to think about. I like my 233/239.... but had a 228/228 ground up to get some more of my midrange back.
I plotted my dyno graph against a friend with nearly identical mods (I have AFR 205's and he has GTP Stage 3 5.3's). I had a 233/239 and he was running a 225/225 both on 112LSA's. He made 40rwhp more at 2500-4K and 30rwtq torque more. From 4-6K the difference was smaller... and only at 6200rpm+ did my car outperform his. He made 428rwhp and I made 431rwhp on that session..... I don't have as much problem keeping the tires planted in 2nd/3rd as him... but he has much more mid range power... mine has to really be wrung out to get all the power out of it.
Just a few more ideas to think about. I like my 233/239.... but had a 228/228 ground up to get some more of my midrange back.
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Originally Posted by gnx7
Realize that these cams with 230+ duration have powerbands in the 4500-7K range.... below that a 224/224 or 225/225 cam will kick its butt.
I plotted my dyno graph against a friend with nearly identical mods (I have AFR 205's and he has GTP Stage 3 5.3's). I had a 233/239 and he was running a 225/225 both on 112LSA's. He made 40rwhp more at 2500-4K and 30rwtq torque more. From 4-6K the difference was smaller... and only at 6200rpm+ did my car outperform his. He made 428rwhp and I made 431rwhp on that session..... I don't have as much problem keeping the tires planted in 2nd/3rd as him... but he has much more mid range power... mine has to really be wrung out to get all the power out of it.
Just a few more ideas to think about. I like my 233/239.... but had a 228/228 ground up to get some more of my midrange back.
I plotted my dyno graph against a friend with nearly identical mods (I have AFR 205's and he has GTP Stage 3 5.3's). I had a 233/239 and he was running a 225/225 both on 112LSA's. He made 40rwhp more at 2500-4K and 30rwtq torque more. From 4-6K the difference was smaller... and only at 6200rpm+ did my car outperform his. He made 428rwhp and I made 431rwhp on that session..... I don't have as much problem keeping the tires planted in 2nd/3rd as him... but he has much more mid range power... mine has to really be wrung out to get all the power out of it.
Just a few more ideas to think about. I like my 233/239.... but had a 228/228 ground up to get some more of my midrange back.
You can't make a direct comparison between two different cars. You really want to make it interesting switch cams and have them retuned, then compare. I'll be very interested to see how much midrange you get when going smaller. If all else were equal you should make more than 3 piddling horsepower more than him as is. Of course, all is NOT equal.
His dyno graph of a 233/239 in his car on the same dyno (different day) was nearly identical to mine... he did make a few more HP/TQ here and there but overall they were almost identical graphs.
Just stating that 23x+ duration cams are more for top end power.
Just stating that 23x+ duration cams are more for top end power.
I have never seen one case where the car lost low end power after installing a cam (big or small). The difference between yours and your buddies car is more likely to be related to the heads than it is your cams.
Chuck
Chuck
Originally Posted by gnx7
Realize that these cams with 230+ duration have powerbands in the 4500-7K range.... below that a 224/224 or 225/225 cam will kick its butt.
I plotted my dyno graph against a friend with nearly identical mods (I have AFR 205's and he has GTP Stage 3 5.3's). I had a 233/239 and he was running a 225/225 both on 112LSA's. He made 40rwhp more at 2500-4K and 30rwtq torque more. From 4-6K the difference was smaller... and only at 6200rpm+ did my car outperform his. He made 428rwhp and I made 431rwhp on that session..... I don't have as much problem keeping the tires planted in 2nd/3rd as him... but he has much more mid range power... mine has to really be wrung out to get all the power out of it.
Just a few more ideas to think about. I like my 233/239.... but had a 228/228 ground up to get some more of my midrange back.
I plotted my dyno graph against a friend with nearly identical mods (I have AFR 205's and he has GTP Stage 3 5.3's). I had a 233/239 and he was running a 225/225 both on 112LSA's. He made 40rwhp more at 2500-4K and 30rwtq torque more. From 4-6K the difference was smaller... and only at 6200rpm+ did my car outperform his. He made 428rwhp and I made 431rwhp on that session..... I don't have as much problem keeping the tires planted in 2nd/3rd as him... but he has much more mid range power... mine has to really be wrung out to get all the power out of it.
Just a few more ideas to think about. I like my 233/239.... but had a 228/228 ground up to get some more of my midrange back.
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Originally Posted by gnx7
His dyno graph of a 233/239 in his car on the same dyno (different day) was nearly identical to mine... he did make a few more HP/TQ here and there but overall they were almost identical graphs.
Just stating that 23x+ duration cams are more for top end power.
Just stating that 23x+ duration cams are more for top end power.
What I am saying is that you can't adquately come to that conclusion based on your example. WAY too many variables.
Originally Posted by Chuck@HPE
I have never seen one case where the car lost low end power after installing a cam (big or small). The difference between yours and your buddies car is more likely to be related to the heads than it is your cams.
Chuck
Chuck
