Just Talked To Dart.....
Heads are here, I will post some pictures but a I could use a good host for them.
The heads will get on the bench soon enough, but I will talk to Dart about the heads and what I find first before you guys get to know so be patient. (not like ls1408cp who can go pound salt for all I care.) The plan is to have them on a stock cube motor with a medium sized cam and see what they can do on the dyno here in a month or so.
I do have one question for Dart.... with this big spike in Ti parts prices what are you guys going to do about that? Comp raised their price on Ti retainers over 50% are you guys locked in on your retainer pricing or is that going to add a few bucks to the set of heads?
Thanks,
Bret
BTW Thanks to Dart for the early look at these things.
The heads will get on the bench soon enough, but I will talk to Dart about the heads and what I find first before you guys get to know so be patient. (not like ls1408cp who can go pound salt for all I care.) The plan is to have them on a stock cube motor with a medium sized cam and see what they can do on the dyno here in a month or so.
I do have one question for Dart.... with this big spike in Ti parts prices what are you guys going to do about that? Comp raised their price on Ti retainers over 50% are you guys locked in on your retainer pricing or is that going to add a few bucks to the set of heads?
Thanks,
Bret
BTW Thanks to Dart for the early look at these things.
Last edited by SStrokerAce; Oct 6, 2005 at 10:14 AM.
Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
Heads are here, I will post some pictures but a I could use a good host for them.
fastcat@sbcglobal.net
Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
Heads are here, I will post some pictures but a I could use a good host for them.
The heads will get on the bench soon enough, but I will talk to Dart about the heads and what I find first before you guys get to know so be patient. (not like ls1408cp who can go pound salt for all I care.) The plan is to have them on a stock cube motor with a medium sized cam and see what they can do on the dyno here in a month or so.
I do have one question for Dart.... with this big spike in Ti parts prices what are you guys going to do about that? Comp raised their price on Ti retainers over 50% are you guys locked in on your retainer pricing or is that going to add a few bucks to the set of heads?
Thanks,
Bret
BTW Thanks to Dart for the early look at these things.
The heads will get on the bench soon enough, but I will talk to Dart about the heads and what I find first before you guys get to know so be patient. (not like ls1408cp who can go pound salt for all I care.) The plan is to have them on a stock cube motor with a medium sized cam and see what they can do on the dyno here in a month or so.
I do have one question for Dart.... with this big spike in Ti parts prices what are you guys going to do about that? Comp raised their price on Ti retainers over 50% are you guys locked in on your retainer pricing or is that going to add a few bucks to the set of heads?
Thanks,
Bret
BTW Thanks to Dart for the early look at these things.
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Titanium prices have jumped lately, and hopefully we can stick to the original plan $$$-wise. Through some creative forms of persuasion 
maybe our purchaser can help to hold the prices where they are currently.
maybe our purchaser can help to hold the prices where they are currently. 
Originally Posted by Malihoochie
Titanium prices have jumped lately, and hopefully we can stick to the original plan $$$-wise. Through some creative forms of persuasion maybe our purchaser can help to hold the prices where they are currently.
maybe our purchaser can help to hold the prices where they are currently. On the Ti prices.....
From what I have heard the price of just Ti is going up 250%. I've looked at making Ti retainers myself and I would say that 70% of the cost of a Ti retainer is material cost. Basically if you look at a Ti retainer and compare it to a Steel retainer for the same spring the price difference is not machine time, it's material cost. It's easily 3X the price for a Ti retainer vs. a Steel and now it's even worse, probably 4.5-5X more.
MUSTANGEATER is working out the details on the pics, should have them up later.
Bret
From what I have heard the price of just Ti is going up 250%. I've looked at making Ti retainers myself and I would say that 70% of the cost of a Ti retainer is material cost. Basically if you look at a Ti retainer and compare it to a Steel retainer for the same spring the price difference is not machine time, it's material cost. It's easily 3X the price for a Ti retainer vs. a Steel and now it's even worse, probably 4.5-5X more.
MUSTANGEATER is working out the details on the pics, should have them up later.
Bret
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Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
On the Ti prices.....
From what I have heard the price of just Ti is going up 250%. I've looked at making Ti retainers myself and I would say that 70% of the cost of a Ti retainer is material cost. Basically if you look at a Ti retainer and compare it to a Steel retainer for the same spring the price difference is not machine time, it's material cost. It's easily 3X the price for a Ti retainer vs. a Steel and now it's even worse, probably 4.5-5X more.
MUSTANGEATER is working out the details on the pics, should have them up later.
Bret
From what I have heard the price of just Ti is going up 250%. I've looked at making Ti retainers myself and I would say that 70% of the cost of a Ti retainer is material cost. Basically if you look at a Ti retainer and compare it to a Steel retainer for the same spring the price difference is not machine time, it's material cost. It's easily 3X the price for a Ti retainer vs. a Steel and now it's even worse, probably 4.5-5X more.
MUSTANGEATER is working out the details on the pics, should have them up later.
Bret
You "can" buy Russian Ti cheaper but....
Ed
Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
On the Ti prices.....
From what I have heard the price of just Ti is going up 250%. I've looked at making Ti retainers myself and I would say that 70% of the cost of a Ti retainer is material cost. Basically if you look at a Ti retainer and compare it to a Steel retainer for the same spring the price difference is not machine time, it's material cost. It's easily 3X the price for a Ti retainer vs. a Steel and now it's even worse, probably 4.5-5X more.
MUSTANGEATER is working out the details on the pics, should have them up later.
Bret
From what I have heard the price of just Ti is going up 250%. I've looked at making Ti retainers myself and I would say that 70% of the cost of a Ti retainer is material cost. Basically if you look at a Ti retainer and compare it to a Steel retainer for the same spring the price difference is not machine time, it's material cost. It's easily 3X the price for a Ti retainer vs. a Steel and now it's even worse, probably 4.5-5X more.
MUSTANGEATER is working out the details on the pics, should have them up later.
Bret
Ive always thought that machining costs far outweighed most materials.
These are big so I will warn ya in advance. It would be best to have the computer set to size these to your screen!
http://www.mofbody.com/Floyd/DSCN1150.JPG
http://www.mofbody.com/Floyd/DSCN1151.JPG
http://www.mofbody.com/Floyd/DSCN1152.JPG
http://www.mofbody.com/Floyd/DSCN1153.JPG
http://www.mofbody.com/Floyd/DSCN1154.JPG
http://www.mofbody.com/Floyd/DSCN1155.JPG
BTW Dart is switching to a 8mm valve setup now so you guys dont have to worry about parts interchangeability. Thats even cooler! From what I have heard the head has been revised two times already by a head department that does Pro Stock work all day. I'm excited to see what they do on a motor!
Bret
http://www.mofbody.com/Floyd/DSCN1150.JPG
http://www.mofbody.com/Floyd/DSCN1151.JPG
http://www.mofbody.com/Floyd/DSCN1152.JPG
http://www.mofbody.com/Floyd/DSCN1153.JPG
http://www.mofbody.com/Floyd/DSCN1154.JPG
http://www.mofbody.com/Floyd/DSCN1155.JPG
BTW Dart is switching to a 8mm valve setup now so you guys dont have to worry about parts interchangeability. Thats even cooler! From what I have heard the head has been revised two times already by a head department that does Pro Stock work all day. I'm excited to see what they do on a motor!
Bret
Last edited by SStrokerAce; Oct 7, 2005 at 12:41 AM.
Those do look pretty nice. Those valveguides are just begging to be trimmed down and the casting could be smoothed out by hand for some additional flow. Not removing any material, just cleaning em up. Ill bet the average DIY'er would have no problem just doing a light cleanup and have a real nice head.
Anyway, guys, they look real nice, especially for the money. Great work Dart. And thanks to those who took the pics and hosted them.
Anyway, guys, they look real nice, especially for the money. Great work Dart. And thanks to those who took the pics and hosted them.