camshaft on stock heads !?
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camshaft on stock heads !? i have a 2002 camaro ss, A4, Mac Headers and Y pipe, SLP air lid, K&N air filter, Yank 3500 TC, Comp 918 Springs, Stock gear ratio
i am kinda lost between two camshaft:
1-thunder racing TR224 (224/224 .563/.563 114 LSA)
2- Comp (224/228 .581/588 114 LSA)
PS: the car is a daily driver
i am kinda lost between two camshaft:
1-thunder racing TR224 (224/224 .563/.563 114 LSA)
2- Comp (224/228 .581/588 114 LSA)
PS: the car is a daily driver
Originally Posted by noah89
Why the TR over the Comp? What's the differences?
I say TR because I have a comp 216/220. My cam has a great power band but I think it needs more *****. The 224/228 wouldn't be bad, but the history of the TR224 is a good one and the searches on LS1tech will give you a lot of pros for that cam.
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Originally Posted by disposer
i have a 2002 camaro ss, A4, Mac Headers and Y pipe, SLP air lid, K&N air filter, Yank 3500 TC, Comp 918 Springs, Stock gear ratio
i am kinda lost between two camshaft:
1-thunder racing TR224 (224/224 .563/.563 114 LSA)
2- Comp (224/228 .581/588 114 LSA)
PS: the car is a daily driver
i am kinda lost between two camshaft:
1-thunder racing TR224 (224/224 .563/.563 114 LSA)
2- Comp (224/228 .581/588 114 LSA)
PS: the car is a daily driver
'Nuff Said.
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Just curious why you are going so conservative? I guess everyone has there own needs, and I'm guessing your worried about drivability. I too use my car as a daily driver but have a 224 on a 112 lsa. I little but more aggressive, more power and extremely streetable. Doesn't buck, sounds really good and turns the heads. With only a lid and cat-back exhaust with this cam I put down 374rwhp. NO headers-etc. I think that is pretty good. I love this cam and just think you should broaden your thoughts and consider going just a little bugger. I PROMISE YOU WON'T REGRET IT!!
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my friend had a comp cam and it ate up his cam bearings. the only answer comp cams had for that was they make the part where it rides on the bearing a little bit bigger than stock. tr 224 has my vote
I'd opt for the TR224 for two reasons. One, it's a proven cam that makes pretty good power and two, it will be easier on the valve springs (918's) and with the car being your daily driver, I would assume that would be a concern to you.
Originally Posted by Revelation222
FMS F10 228/228 .580 114lsa
'Nuff Said.
'Nuff Said.
Last edited by 99blancoSS; Oct 7, 2005 at 10:13 AM.
I'd get the f-13. It's been proven to outpower the tr224. It's the all around best cam IMO. The tr224 is a VERY good cam as well, and is the "typical" cam. If you are going to get a cam and know nothing you get the tr224. However that is fastly turning into the f-13 since that is what everyone is going with. I've yet to see a tr 224 make 475rwhp on a heads/cam 346. The f-13 on the other hand 
How would the TR224 compare to something with a 228/228? Recently did an '02 Z06 cam, as I had "warranty" concerns, but they've lessened considerably since then. Been looking for options for my daily driver to pull some better numbers and push my closer to 400rwhp (361 right now).
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Originally Posted by 99blancoSS
I'll gaurantee the fms10 isnt as powerful as the tr224. On a crappy tune I put down 375hp 375tq w/tr224 and there was 20 more hp to be had. The TR224 is the best street cam on the planet for a stock cubed ls1. I say that after looking at hundreds of dyno results. Even the mighty fm13 isnt as powerful until 5800 rpms. You wont find a better daily driver cam from what I've seen. Do the research look at the power bands and tq ratings within rpm ranges. And again this is for street daily driver. Not track car. If I was setting up a track car the bigger the better baby!
I would be interested to see apples to apples comparison to this guarantee you speak of. You state that you put down 375/375 on an M6 with the tr224?
On a "crappy" tune I made the numbers in my sig in an A4 with 91 octane, 98 heads, a huge heavy *** stall (the "extreme" part is hurting me atm until i get boost lol), and 2.73's (which can be easily argued will cause a lower reading because of the inertia and speed factors (like 120-130mph i think it was) to get the car to hit the rev limit on the dyno).
If my cam was on a 112 i would probably see another 5hp peak as well. All in all I think I am doing quite well with this cam. It has a broad powerband with no drawbacks on driveability. I drive my car everyday on the mean streets of LA with traffic, **** for roads, mountains, etc. I have no problems at all even with the mismatch b/w my convertor and gears. So I do drive a "street" car.
If anything either cam will be within 10hp peak of each other anyways, but I do believe that the F10 will make more average power.
My 2 cents.
Go bigger! I had the 224 and after 3 months I wanted a bit more. I put in the 236/236 and it's perfect. Drivability isn't much different than the smaller one.
Do it right the first time and save time and money getting another later.
Do it right the first time and save time and money getting another later.
Originally Posted by Revelation222
I would be interested to see apples to apples comparison to this guarantee you speak of. You state that you put down 375/375 on an M6 with the tr224?
On a "crappy" tune I made the numbers in my sig in an A4 with 91 octane, 98 heads, a huge heavy *** stall (the "extreme" part is hurting me atm until i get boost lol), and 2.73's (which can be easily argued will cause a lower reading because of the inertia and speed factors (like 120-130mph i think it was) to get the car to hit the rev limit on the dyno).
If my cam was on a 112 i would probably see another 5hp peak as well. All in all I think I am doing quite well with this cam. It has a broad powerband with no drawbacks on driveability. I drive my car everyday on the mean streets of LA with traffic, **** for roads, mountains, etc. I have no problems at all even with the mismatch b/w my convertor and gears. So I do drive a "street" car.
If anything either cam will be within 10hp peak of each other anyways, but I do believe that the F10 will make more average power.
My 2 cents.
On a "crappy" tune I made the numbers in my sig in an A4 with 91 octane, 98 heads, a huge heavy *** stall (the "extreme" part is hurting me atm until i get boost lol), and 2.73's (which can be easily argued will cause a lower reading because of the inertia and speed factors (like 120-130mph i think it was) to get the car to hit the rev limit on the dyno).
If my cam was on a 112 i would probably see another 5hp peak as well. All in all I think I am doing quite well with this cam. It has a broad powerband with no drawbacks on driveability. I drive my car everyday on the mean streets of LA with traffic, **** for roads, mountains, etc. I have no problems at all even with the mismatch b/w my convertor and gears. So I do drive a "street" car.
If anything either cam will be within 10hp peak of each other anyways, but I do believe that the F10 will make more average power.
My 2 cents.
rpms hp tq 224/prc fm13/tea
2700 - 170, 331 .. 163, 313
2800 - 181, 338 .. 167, 313
2900 - 189, 342 .. 172, 313
3000 - 200, 348 .. 182, 316
3100 - 209, 355 .. 187, 319
3200 - 219, 360 .. 200, 327
3300 - 229, 365 .. 210, 333
3400 - 238, 368 .. 219, 338
3500 - 245, 369 .. 227, 341
3600 - 254, 371 .. 237, 345
3700 - 263, 374 .. 246, 348
3800 - 273, 376 .. 253, 350
3900 - 279, 377 .. 262, 353
4000 - 288, 377 .. 270, 355
4100 - 296, 378 .. 278, 356
4200 - 303, 379 .. 285, 357
4300 - 310, 379 .. 293, 358
4400 - 319, 380 .. 301, 359
4500 - 327, 383 .. 309, 361
4600 - 339, 385 .. 319, 364
4700 - 346, 387 .. 330, 367
4800 - 353, 387 .. 338, 370
4900 - 362, 388 .. 346, 372
5000 - 368, 387 .. 354, 372
5100 - 374, 385 .. 361, 371
5200 - 379, 383 .. 366, 370
5300 - 384, 380 .. 371, 368
5400 - 389, 377 .. 378, 367
5500 - 392, 375 .. 383, 367
5600 - 395, 371 .. 390, 365
Originally Posted by 777
I'd get the f-13. It's been proven to outpower the tr224. It's the all around best cam IMO. The tr224 is a VERY good cam as well, and is the "typical" cam. If you are going to get a cam and know nothing you get the tr224. However that is fastly turning into the f-13 since that is what everyone is going with. I've yet to see a tr 224 make 475rwhp on a heads/cam 346. The f-13 on the other hand
rpms hp tq 224/prc fm13/tea
2700 - 170, 331 .. 163, 313
2800 - 181, 338 .. 167, 313
2900 - 189, 342 .. 172, 313
3000 - 200, 348 .. 182, 316
3100 - 209, 355 .. 187, 319
3200 - 219, 360 .. 200, 327
3300 - 229, 365 .. 210, 333
3400 - 238, 368 .. 219, 338
3500 - 245, 369 .. 227, 341
3600 - 254, 371 .. 237, 345
3700 - 263, 374 .. 246, 348
3800 - 273, 376 .. 253, 350
3900 - 279, 377 .. 262, 353
4000 - 288, 377 .. 270, 355
4100 - 296, 378 .. 278, 356
4200 - 303, 379 .. 285, 357
4300 - 310, 379 .. 293, 358
4400 - 319, 380 .. 301, 359
4500 - 327, 383 .. 309, 361
4600 - 339, 385 .. 319, 364
4700 - 346, 387 .. 330, 367
4800 - 353, 387 .. 338, 370
4900 - 362, 388 .. 346, 372
5000 - 368, 387 .. 354, 372
5100 - 374, 385 .. 361, 371
5200 - 379, 383 .. 366, 370
5300 - 384, 380 .. 371, 368
5400 - 389, 377 .. 378, 367
5500 - 392, 375 .. 383, 367
5600 - 395, 371 .. 390, 365
tr224 kicks its butt through 95% of the rpm cycle. It did it before the heads too. The fm13 shines above 5800rpms, before that the tr224 owns it.
