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Old 12-06-2005 | 07:41 PM
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The manifold was an out of the box manifold. The SAE corrective factor really makes this motor look to be down in power compared to what you guys have seen on chassis dynos and such. The whole factor here is to compare another companies (one that is mentioned often on here) cnc fully ported heads versus a run of the mill as cast Dart head. Dart is going to offer fully ported heads that will be priced right in line with the rest and after looking at how well the as cast does versus ported heads, Dart should be fine in the cnc market.

when are we going to see some of these fully ported heads?
Old 12-10-2005 | 07:10 AM
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Who is making dual springs for the DART heads or do drop ins work like PP Golds and 921's?
Old 12-10-2005 | 08:57 AM
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Who is making dual springs for the DART heads or do drop ins work like PP Golds and 921's?
Springs that fit OEM head will fit the Dart. If mods are needed with the OEM then they will probably be needed with the Dart as well
Old 12-11-2005 | 01:40 PM
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Kurt can u test the Dart 205 on a 346CI with small cams and medium cams too?
Old 12-11-2005 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by WKMCD
Who is making dual springs for the DART heads or do drop ins work like PP Golds and 921's?
Curious as to why you are interested in this? The Dart springs are somewhat light on the seat (125#) but they have a pretty high spring rate and are beehive design so there is less accelerated mass.
Old 12-11-2005 | 10:13 PM
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Sorry can't help you with that one. We are testing heads for our crate engine's. They are 402ci at this time. We may add some other sizes in the future, but it probably will not be the 346.


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Kurt can u test the Dart 205 on a 346CI with small cams and medium cams too?
Old 01-01-2006 | 09:18 PM
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Kurt do you have the results after touching them up and doing bigger valves?
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What was the ignition timing with the different setups?
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We held the timing steady at 30 degrees.


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What was the ignition timing with the different setups?
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Dart 225--------competitive priced 5.3 head--Dart head with carb/Eldebrock intake(-------SAE Correction--------------)
rpm--tq---hp---tq---hp---tq---hp--tq--hp
3000-428-244--407-232--387-221--404-231
3500-412-275--399-266--392-261--399-266
4000-465-354--447-341--444-338--453-345
4500-487-417--472-404--487-417--489-420
5000-490-467--472-450--501-476--504-480
5500-473-496--459-480--484-507--489-512
6000-446-510--428-489--454-519--466-532
6100-440-511--422-490--448-521--461-536
6200-433-512--415-490--443-523--459-542
6300-425-510--408-489--435-523--455-546
6400-417-508--399-486--426-520--448-547
The last row of HP and TQ is with mild portwork and 2.08 valves. This is in SAE correction(factory) on a engine dyno. The test was ran with the Holley carb and Edelbrock intake.

That same dyno run in Standard correction (29.92Baro-60F) was 529ftlbs and 575hp.
The actual raw power at the crank with no correction factors on that run was 537ftlbs and 585hp. At the time of the run humidity was 55% temp was 31f and baro was 29.51.

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Kurt do you have the results after touching them up and doing bigger valves?
Old 01-03-2006 | 09:02 AM
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Temp in the dyno room was 31*F Kurt? Can't you guys afford heat?

Great info!
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Originally Posted by 427
Dart 225--------competitive priced 5.3 head--Dart head with carb/Eldebrock intake(-------SAE Correction--------------)
rpm--tq---hp---tq---hp---tq---hp--tq--hp
3000-428-244--407-232--387-221--404-231
3500-412-275--399-266--392-261--399-266
4000-465-354--447-341--444-338--453-345
4500-487-417--472-404--487-417--489-420
5000-490-467--472-450--501-476--504-480
5500-473-496--459-480--484-507--489-512
6000-446-510--428-489--454-519--466-532
6100-440-511--422-490--448-521--461-536
6200-433-512--415-490--443-523--459-542
6300-425-510--408-489--435-523--455-546
6400-417-508--399-486--426-520--448-547
The last row of HP and TQ is with mild portwork and 2.08 valves. This is in SAE correction(factory) on a engine dyno. The test was ran with the Holley carb and Edelbrock intake.

That same dyno run in Standard correction (29.92Baro-60F) was 529ftlbs and 575hp.
The actual raw power at the crank with no correction factors on that run was 537ftlbs and 585hp. At the time of the run humidity was 55% temp was 31f and baro was 29.51.

Kurt
am I reading that right? you picked up 27hp@6400 going to a bigger valve and mild portwork? its kind confusing to read...
wish you'd spin it another 500rpm looks like gains are going up nicely as rpm increases.
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Originally Posted by 427
Dart 225--------competitive priced 5.3 head--Dart head with carb/Eldebrock intake(-------SAE Correction--------------)
rpm--tq---hp---tq---hp---tq---hp--tq--hp
3000-428-244--407-232--387-221--404-231
3500-412-275--399-266--392-261--399-266
4000-465-354--447-341--444-338--453-345
4500-487-417--472-404--487-417--489-420
5000-490-467--472-450--501-476--504-480
5500-473-496--459-480--484-507--489-512
6000-446-510--428-489--454-519--466-532
6100-440-511--422-490--448-521--461-536
6200-433-512--415-490--443-523--459-542
6300-425-510--408-489--435-523--455-546
6400-417-508--399-486--426-520--448-547
The last row of HP and TQ is with mild portwork and 2.08 valves. This is in SAE correction(factory) on a engine dyno. The test was ran with the Holley carb and Edelbrock intake.

That same dyno run in Standard correction (29.92Baro-60F) was 529ftlbs and 575hp.
The actual raw power at the crank with no correction factors on that run was 537ftlbs and 585hp. At the time of the run humidity was 55% temp was 31f and baro was 29.51.

Kurt
not bad kurt can you pm me a price for those heads
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It is hard to read, but you are reading it right! Power peak on all runs was at 6400rpm or lower.

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am I reading that right? you picked up 27hp@6400 going to a bigger valve and mild portwork? its kind confusing to read...
wish you'd spin it another 500rpm looks like gains are going up nicely as rpm increases.
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Just curoius, what was the temp for the previous runs?
Impressive gains for mild portwork.
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The runs are all corrected to 77f, the actual temp stays within 10 degree's in the cell.


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Just curoius, what was the temp for the previous runs?
Impressive gains for mild portwork.




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