New 243 Patriot CNC Ported Heads
12-24-2005, 07:49 PM
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UOTE=PREDATOR-Z]LS6 "style" are 6.0 heads with welded chambers (64cc/59cc)
243 casting are new GM LS2 castings (05+)
The difference is that welded 6.0 59 cc still keep more PTV clearance to allow bigger cams than if you milled the 243 to achieve 59cc.
I doubt seriously there is a major power difference all components and chamber size being the same, but milled 243's might flow a little less.
In any case, this is a really good deal with Ferrea/dual spring setup.[/QUOTE]
what do you think would be a better head for me(patriot 243 or the ls-6). im running an f14,LT's,90mm fast intake & tb, with all the bolt ons and oem ported 99 heads.
243 casting are new GM LS2 castings (05+)
The difference is that welded 6.0 59 cc still keep more PTV clearance to allow bigger cams than if you milled the 243 to achieve 59cc.
I doubt seriously there is a major power difference all components and chamber size being the same, but milled 243's might flow a little less.
In any case, this is a really good deal with Ferrea/dual spring setup.[/QUOTE]
what do you think would be a better head for me(patriot 243 or the ls-6). im running an f14,LT's,90mm fast intake & tb, with all the bolt ons and oem ported 99 heads.
12-25-2005, 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 1999 SS
Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
LS6 "style" are 6.0 heads with welded chambers (64cc/59cc)
243 casting are new GM LS2 castings (05+)
The difference is that welded 6.0 59 cc still keep more PTV clearance to allow bigger cams than if you milled the 243 to achieve 59cc.
I doubt seriously there is a major power difference all components and chamber size being the same, but milled 243's might flow a little less.
In any case, this is a really good deal with Ferrea/dual spring setup.
243 casting are new GM LS2 castings (05+)
The difference is that welded 6.0 59 cc still keep more PTV clearance to allow bigger cams than if you milled the 243 to achieve 59cc.
I doubt seriously there is a major power difference all components and chamber size being the same, but milled 243's might flow a little less.
In any case, this is a really good deal with Ferrea/dual spring setup.
12-25-2005, 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
PTV has little to do with lifts and has to do with duration amount used, valve events and size of valves.
The MS3 will fit PP 243 with stock valves and no mill.
It might even fit PP 59 cc with 2.02/ 1.57 valves ( not sure though)
But with bigger valves, the way to do this is stick the cam in and measure PTV.
No sane sponsor here will give you a definite answer, it will be it "should" but "better measure", which is sound advice when you're playing with cams that size.
The MS3 will fit PP 243 with stock valves and no mill.
It might even fit PP 59 cc with 2.02/ 1.57 valves ( not sure though)
But with bigger valves, the way to do this is stick the cam in and measure PTV.
No sane sponsor here will give you a definite answer, it will be it "should" but "better measure", which is sound advice when you're playing with cams that size.
Would the MS3 and the 243 heads be a good combo? About how much HP would you get with this set up? I want low 11s on motor, and I al searching right now for some answers but I might as well ask.
12-25-2005, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Shinsetsu
Would the MS3 and the 243 heads be a good combo? About how much HP would you get with this set up? I want low 11s on motor, and I al searching right now for some answers but I might as well ask.
12-26-2005, 03:08 AM
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TSP made 400 with Ls6 intake headers, ture duals, pulley, MS3 cam, and a tune. I'm myself am doing this setup and the 243 Heads with stock valves and hoping for like 440 rwhp
12-26-2005, 04:46 AM
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100" 75.3 / 61.9
.200" 151.7 / 121.6
.300" 210.7 / 163.1
.400" 251.2 / 199.7
.500" 284.6 / 215.8
.550" 291.4 / 221.1
.600" 301.3 / 225.6
Above is 243 PP with 2.00/1.55 stock valves (advertised by PP)
Below is independent PRC test:
Here are the flow #s:
* SF1020 bench
* 3.900" bore
* Radiused entry on intake side
* Exhaust port flowed open
Intake Exhaust
.050 36.1 30.0
.100 70.0 57.2
.150 103.9 83.6
.200 139.1 110.4
.250 168.3 130.0
.300 198.0 150.1
.350 222.9 165.3
.400 244.4 177.3
.450 262.1 194.1
.500 276.7 202.2
.550 288.4 208.5
.600 298.8 213.3
.650 304.7 216.9
.700 278.4 220.1
.200" 151.7 / 121.6
.300" 210.7 / 163.1
.400" 251.2 / 199.7
.500" 284.6 / 215.8
.550" 291.4 / 221.1
.600" 301.3 / 225.6
Above is 243 PP with 2.00/1.55 stock valves (advertised by PP)
Below is independent PRC test:
Here are the flow #s:
* SF1020 bench
* 3.900" bore
* Radiused entry on intake side
* Exhaust port flowed open
Intake Exhaust
.050 36.1 30.0
.100 70.0 57.2
.150 103.9 83.6
.200 139.1 110.4
.250 168.3 130.0
.300 198.0 150.1
.350 222.9 165.3
.400 244.4 177.3
.450 262.1 194.1
.500 276.7 202.2
.550 288.4 208.5
.600 298.8 213.3
.650 304.7 216.9
.700 278.4 220.1
12-27-2005, 11:58 PM
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ok how much for 6.0L heads milled for 59 cc chambers with Ferrea valves (2.05/1.57) and Patriot Gold .650" Dual Springs, Ti Retainers, Super 7 Locks, Viton Rubber Seals, Machined spring Bases, and Bronze Valve Guides also with these heads could i use an ms3 cam without fly cutting also being im not too smart with this stuff is this all a good setup
12-28-2005, 12:12 AM
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ok last dumb question... if i can get the above listed heads for $1195 why would i want to pay $200 more for 243 ls6 heads? espically i can use a larger cam with the 6.0L heads..... ??
12-28-2005, 01:24 AM
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PTV always needs to be measured, and yes 2.05/1.57 is the way to go on stock cubes.
Contact TSP for fitment, since they used to sell PP and would hhave a pretty good idea as to what VE's or if any flycutting is necessary.
Contact TSP for fitment, since they used to sell PP and would hhave a pretty good idea as to what VE's or if any flycutting is necessary.