BIG cam+Good Tuning= DD
BIG cam+Good Tuning= DD ok i have used the research button and read as much as i can, and everytime some asks if i get "so and so big cam" can i make it my DD. Well i have seen that many say yes but only with a GOOD TUNE. While other say just go small. I ask because i myself am doing a swap soon, so if anybody with experince with any big cams could give me some feed back or any cam guru help me out. 
Tuning is the key, but keep in mind the reason why most shops only do WOT tunes and not driveability tunes. A comprehensive driveability tune will sometimes take days or weeks of logging data (over various temperature and weather conditions). You'll need to log data from when the motor's dead cold on a freezing morning to hot restarts on the hottest summer's day. You'll need to monitor things like air/fuel ratios across countless throttle positions and load setting. I could go on and on in regards to what it takes to make a big cam drive like a stocker, but the two main ingredients are time and experience.
Most big shops have the experience to give you a tune that will get you into a "ballpark" of acceptable driveability, but it will still take lots of time to make it perfect for your application. FWIW, Geoff from Thunder Racing got my car to within 90% of perfect street manners with a tune based on everything he's learned over the years of tuning LS1s with big nasty cams. Since then, I've made over 100 revisions to his base tune in the search of the perfect driveability tune. Each tune gets me closer. Each tune gets my car closer to running like stock.
Just don't expect perfection to come fast or cheap.
Most big shops have the experience to give you a tune that will get you into a "ballpark" of acceptable driveability, but it will still take lots of time to make it perfect for your application. FWIW, Geoff from Thunder Racing got my car to within 90% of perfect street manners with a tune based on everything he's learned over the years of tuning LS1s with big nasty cams. Since then, I've made over 100 revisions to his base tune in the search of the perfect driveability tune. Each tune gets me closer. Each tune gets my car closer to running like stock.
Just don't expect perfection to come fast or cheap.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
Originally Posted by Patrick G
Tuning is the key, but keep in mind the reason why most shops only do WOT tunes and not driveability tunes. A comprehensive driveability tune will sometimes take days or weeks of logging data (over various temperature and weather conditions). You'll need to log data from when the motor's dead cold on a freezing morning to hot restarts on the hottest summer's day. You'll need to monitor things like air/fuel ratios across countless throttle positions and load setting. I could go on and on in regards to what it takes to make a big cam drive like a stocker, but the two main ingredients are time and experience.
Most big shops have the experience to give you a tune that will get you into a "ballpark" of acceptable driveability, but it will still take lots of time to make it perfect for your application. FWIW, Geoff from Thunder Racing got my car to within 90% of perfect street manners with a tune based on everything he's learned over the years of tuning LS1s with big nasty cams. Since then, I've made over 100 revisions to his base tune in the search of the perfect driveability tune. Each tune gets me closer. Each tune gets my car closer to running like stock.
Just don't expect perfection to come fast or cheap.
Most big shops have the experience to give you a tune that will get you into a "ballpark" of acceptable driveability, but it will still take lots of time to make it perfect for your application. FWIW, Geoff from Thunder Racing got my car to within 90% of perfect street manners with a tune based on everything he's learned over the years of tuning LS1s with big nasty cams. Since then, I've made over 100 revisions to his base tune in the search of the perfect driveability tune. Each tune gets me closer. Each tune gets my car closer to running like stock.
Just don't expect perfection to come fast or cheap.
thanks
Joe
Originally Posted by Patrick G
Tuning is the key, but keep in mind the reason why most shops only do WOT tunes and not driveability tunes. A comprehensive driveability tune will sometimes take days or weeks of logging data (over various temperature and weather conditions). You'll need to log data from when the motor's dead cold on a freezing morning to hot restarts on the hottest summer's day. You'll need to monitor things like air/fuel ratios across countless throttle positions and load setting. I could go on and on in regards to what it takes to make a big cam drive like a stocker, but the two main ingredients are time and experience.
Most big shops have the experience to give you a tune that will get you into a "ballpark" of acceptable driveability, but it will still take lots of time to make it perfect for your application. FWIW, Geoff from Thunder Racing got my car to within 90% of perfect street manners with a tune based on everything he's learned over the years of tuning LS1s with big nasty cams. Since then, I've made over 100 revisions to his base tune in the search of the perfect driveability tune. Each tune gets me closer. Each tune gets my car closer to running like stock.
Just don't expect perfection to come fast or cheap.
Most big shops have the experience to give you a tune that will get you into a "ballpark" of acceptable driveability, but it will still take lots of time to make it perfect for your application. FWIW, Geoff from Thunder Racing got my car to within 90% of perfect street manners with a tune based on everything he's learned over the years of tuning LS1s with big nasty cams. Since then, I've made over 100 revisions to his base tune in the search of the perfect driveability tune. Each tune gets me closer. Each tune gets my car closer to running like stock.
Just don't expect perfection to come fast or cheap.
What?!? I thought you could tune a car in 5 minutes, and it was good to go 
I've spent countless hours tuning my bolt-on *only* car, and I'm just now getting it to where I've wanted it all along.
I've spent countless hours tuning my bolt-on *only* car, and I'm just now getting it to where I've wanted it all along.
Originally Posted by ls1_cam2
Thanks for the info. Ok so correct me if i am wrong but a big cam will never have perfect stock manners but can get damn close with a hell of a tune from someone who knows exactly what they are doing. I mean 90% with in perfect street manners might as well be 100% to me. One more question, Geoff from TR got you to 90% the first time or on of the other 100 visits???
thanks
Joe
thanks
Joe
I understand that to get it to perfect manners it will take countless hours and lots of mula($$$) but what i am looking for is if the cam can be put in the ball park of almost perfect with one visit and then work from there, or will it take many many visits to the tuner to even get it with in range. Again thanks for the help.
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
Tuning is the key, but keep in mind the reason why most shops only do WOT tunes and not driveability tunes. A comprehensive driveability tune will sometimes take days or weeks of logging data (over various temperature and weather conditions). You'll need to log data from when the motor's dead cold on a freezing morning to hot restarts on the hottest summer's day. You'll need to monitor things like air/fuel ratios across countless throttle positions and load setting. I could go on and on in regards to what it takes to make a big cam drive like a stocker, but the two main ingredients are time and experience.
Most big shops have the experience to give you a tune that will get you into a "ballpark" of acceptable driveability, but it will still take lots of time to make it perfect for your application. FWIW, Geoff from Thunder Racing got my car to within 90% of perfect street manners with a tune based on everything he's learned over the years of tuning LS1s with big nasty cams. Since then, I've made over 100 revisions to his base tune in the search of the perfect driveability tune. Each tune gets me closer. Each tune gets my car closer to running like stock.
Just don't expect perfection to come fast or cheap.
Most big shops have the experience to give you a tune that will get you into a "ballpark" of acceptable driveability, but it will still take lots of time to make it perfect for your application. FWIW, Geoff from Thunder Racing got my car to within 90% of perfect street manners with a tune based on everything he's learned over the years of tuning LS1s with big nasty cams. Since then, I've made over 100 revisions to his base tune in the search of the perfect driveability tune. Each tune gets me closer. Each tune gets my car closer to running like stock.
Just don't expect perfection to come fast or cheap.
