Who's useing Patriot stage III head?
03-02-2006, 12:29 AM
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You guys really shouldn't stake claim in the "advertised " flow numbers posted on some sights. I've personally flowed the Patriots and the numbers were no were near advetised. I'm not going to bash anyones product, but try to go back and look at the average gains, like someone mentioned before. The average with the Patriots is about half of what other companies are seeing. In this case, I'd look into the Dart/PRC option.
03-02-2006, 09:18 AM
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Here's the numbers on a set of patriot 5.3's I purchased two years ago with 2.02 1.57 valves. I had them tested at an independant machine shop.
Superflow SF-600 @28psi
Int. Ex.
@100 99.3 79.2
@200 170.2 128.9
@300 238.7 146.2
@400 257.4 166.2
@500 275.3 200.5
@600 298.1 219.4
Superflow SF-600 @28psi
Int. Ex.
@100 99.3 79.2
@200 170.2 128.9
@300 238.7 146.2
@400 257.4 166.2
@500 275.3 200.5
@600 298.1 219.4
03-02-2006, 09:28 AM
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Here is what Patriot says they flow, as posted on their website
Stage II Superflow bench 1050
Int. Ex.
@100 67 61
@200 133 108
@300 194 147
@400 242 183
@500 274 205
@600 296 220
Looks pretty close to me...
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03-02-2006, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 1QuickT-A
Screw all this bitching and crying.. we can settle it at the track...
03-02-2006, 01:12 PM
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We have made many improvements in our products over the last couple of years. The heads we produce are a quality product and can compete with any other in the market. Are there companies out there that inflate numbers? Sure there is, however, we are not one of those companies. We send a flow sheet with every set of heads we sell. We have tested many other heads for customers. Some of these were right on the money, some above advertised flow, and some below advertised. We simply work hard to provide the best possible product at the best possible price. Continually we are working on ways of improving our porting for our customers. A couple years ago our LS6 style runners were in the 234cc +/- range. Now, through on-going R&D, we have them down to 227cc +/- while keeping the flow up. This same effort has gone into providing unmatched customer service. Many customers have found that our products and service are among the best out there. This can be seen in the current backlog of orders we have. When comparing apples to apples, dollar for dollar, a better product can not be found.
Currently our Predator castings are being prepared. We will produce runners in 205, 225, and 240 range. This will cover most of the trends in the marketplace, and as always, be less expensive than most.
More and more we are creating good will with the customers that we are serving; that being the hard working Americans that need value for their dollar.
Currently our Predator castings are being prepared. We will produce runners in 205, 225, and 240 range. This will cover most of the trends in the marketplace, and as always, be less expensive than most.
More and more we are creating good will with the customers that we are serving; that being the hard working Americans that need value for their dollar.
03-02-2006, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunnar@Patriot
We have made many improvements in our products over the last couple of years. The heads we produce are a quality product and can compete with any other in the market. Are there companies out there that inflate numbers? Sure there is, however, we are not one of those companies. We send a flow sheet with every set of heads we sell. We have tested many other heads for customers. Some of these were right on the money, some above advertised flow, and some below advertised. We simply work hard to provide the best possible product at the best possible price. Continually we are working on ways of improving our porting for our customers. A couple years ago our LS6 style runners were in the 234cc +/- range. Now, through on-going R&D, we have them down to 227cc +/- while keeping the flow up. This same effort has gone into providing unmatched customer service. Many customers have found that our products and service are among the best out there. This can be seen in the current backlog of orders we have. When comparing apples to apples, dollar for dollar, a better product can not be found.
Currently our Predator castings are being prepared. We will produce runners in 205, 225, and 240 range. This will cover most of the trends in the marketplace, and as always, be less expensive than most.
More and more we are creating good will with the customers that we are serving; that being the hard working Americans that need value for their dollar.
Currently our Predator castings are being prepared. We will produce runners in 205, 225, and 240 range. This will cover most of the trends in the marketplace, and as always, be less expensive than most.
More and more we are creating good will with the customers that we are serving; that being the hard working Americans that need value for their dollar.
03-02-2006, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Z'mnypit
HAHAHA Pinks comes to Alabama. "all out drag car racing a street car for titles" Sounds just like one of there shows.
03-02-2006, 06:49 PM
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Im running a aet of pp stage3 heads and they seem to be working for the money.Took the car to the track this week 2nd run 11.20's at 124 mph N/A on stock 10bolt. car 3687lbs
03-02-2006, 07:04 PM
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Here are my PP stage 2 heads on a local bench.
"I had a set of brand new PP stage 2 heads flowed at my local bench today.
As far as my local bench goes it is normally lower then the "advertisied" flow numbers. I have done 9 sets now on this bench and I had Jason from Thunder do 1 set for me a few weeks ago to compair numbers.
The local bench and TR's bench were almost dead on for the intake side, and my local bench outflowed Thunders bench by 8-10 cfm's on the exhaust.
Anyways, this was on a 3.9 bore, clad radius, no pipe etc.
Just like most companies do it.
Intake Exhaust
100--- 57.12--- 53.23
200--- 127.54-- 89.11
300--- 189.77-- 123.10
400--- 235.84-- 150.62
500--- 268.32-- 173.11
600--- 280.25-- 190.61
700--- 291.17-- 198.51
I was impressed how these heads just kept flowing up till 700. I am not very impressed with the overall numbers.
Again this is a different bench then what PP uses but at the same time out of the 9 sets of heads on this bench this set was the 2nd worst."
"I had a set of brand new PP stage 2 heads flowed at my local bench today.
As far as my local bench goes it is normally lower then the "advertisied" flow numbers. I have done 9 sets now on this bench and I had Jason from Thunder do 1 set for me a few weeks ago to compair numbers.
The local bench and TR's bench were almost dead on for the intake side, and my local bench outflowed Thunders bench by 8-10 cfm's on the exhaust.
Anyways, this was on a 3.9 bore, clad radius, no pipe etc.
Just like most companies do it.
Intake Exhaust
100--- 57.12--- 53.23
200--- 127.54-- 89.11
300--- 189.77-- 123.10
400--- 235.84-- 150.62
500--- 268.32-- 173.11
600--- 280.25-- 190.61
700--- 291.17-- 198.51
I was impressed how these heads just kept flowing up till 700. I am not very impressed with the overall numbers.
Again this is a different bench then what PP uses but at the same time out of the 9 sets of heads on this bench this set was the 2nd worst."
03-02-2006, 07:06 PM
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Yes I agree.. the Patriot heads work great for the money.. But, I personally would never spend the money on a 402/408/427 etc if I couldn't afford a set of top notch heads to put on it. I do understand that not everyone wants to go as fast as they possibly can so they don't get the best parts that are available.. To each his own I guess..
I'm not saying that AFR is the best there is either.. But the quality and performance has been PROVEN time and time again with the AFR heads and not just on LS1s, but on most other SBC and SBF engines. The AFRs are consistant.. You know that what you are buying is high quality stuff and you know that the heads are gonna do what AFR says they will. How many times have we been over this stuff.. Look at all of the b.s. that people have been thru with other brands and types of cylinder heads.. Compare all those horror stories to all the stories/threads you have heard and read about with AFR heads.. Thats my point.. You really never read or hear anything bad about AFR.. Atleast I haven't...
I'm not saying that AFR is the best there is either.. But the quality and performance has been PROVEN time and time again with the AFR heads and not just on LS1s, but on most other SBC and SBF engines. The AFRs are consistant.. You know that what you are buying is high quality stuff and you know that the heads are gonna do what AFR says they will. How many times have we been over this stuff.. Look at all of the b.s. that people have been thru with other brands and types of cylinder heads.. Compare all those horror stories to all the stories/threads you have heard and read about with AFR heads.. Thats my point.. You really never read or hear anything bad about AFR.. Atleast I haven't...
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03-02-2006, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JZ'sTA
Here are my PP stage 2 heads on a local bench.
"I had a set of brand new PP stage 2 heads flowed at my local bench today.
As far as my local bench goes it is normally lower then the "advertisied" flow numbers. I have done 9 sets now on this bench and I had Jason from Thunder do 1 set for me a few weeks ago to compair numbers.
The local bench and TR's bench were almost dead on for the intake side, and my local bench outflowed Thunders bench by 8-10 cfm's on the exhaust.
Anyways, this was on a 3.9 bore, clad radius, no pipe etc.
Just like most companies do it.
Intake Exhaust
100--- 57.12--- 53.23
200--- 127.54-- 89.11
300--- 189.77-- 123.10
400--- 235.84-- 150.62
500--- 268.32-- 173.11
600--- 280.25-- 190.61
700--- 291.17-- 198.51
I was impressed how these heads just kept flowing up till 700. I am not very impressed with the overall numbers.
Again this is a different bench then what PP uses but at the same time out of the 9 sets of heads on this bench this set was the 2nd worst."
"I had a set of brand new PP stage 2 heads flowed at my local bench today.
As far as my local bench goes it is normally lower then the "advertisied" flow numbers. I have done 9 sets now on this bench and I had Jason from Thunder do 1 set for me a few weeks ago to compair numbers.
The local bench and TR's bench were almost dead on for the intake side, and my local bench outflowed Thunders bench by 8-10 cfm's on the exhaust.
Anyways, this was on a 3.9 bore, clad radius, no pipe etc.
Just like most companies do it.
Intake Exhaust
100--- 57.12--- 53.23
200--- 127.54-- 89.11
300--- 189.77-- 123.10
400--- 235.84-- 150.62
500--- 268.32-- 173.11
600--- 280.25-- 190.61
700--- 291.17-- 198.51
I was impressed how these heads just kept flowing up till 700. I am not very impressed with the overall numbers.
Again this is a different bench then what PP uses but at the same time out of the 9 sets of heads on this bench this set was the 2nd worst."
Those numbers look VERY similar to the same numbers as my old PRC Stage 2.5 5.3 heads... My PRCs were tested with a pipe and a fixed radius though. What a dissapointment.. Granted, that was then and this is now and I 'think' they have improved since then.
03-02-2006, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JZ'sTA
Here are my PP stage 2 heads on a local bench.
"I had a set of brand new PP stage 2 heads flowed at my local bench today.
As far as my local bench goes it is normally lower then the "advertisied" flow numbers. I have done 9 sets now on this bench and I had Jason from Thunder do 1 set for me a few weeks ago to compair numbers.
The local bench and TR's bench were almost dead on for the intake side, and my local bench outflowed Thunders bench by 8-10 cfm's on the exhaust.
Anyways, this was on a 3.9 bore, clad radius, no pipe etc.
Just like most companies do it.
Intake Exhaust
100--- 57.12--- 53.23
200--- 127.54-- 89.11
300--- 189.77-- 123.10
400--- 235.84-- 150.62
500--- 268.32-- 173.11
600--- 280.25-- 190.61
700--- 291.17-- 198.51
I was impressed how these heads just kept flowing up till 700. I am not very impressed with the overall numbers.
Again this is a different bench then what PP uses but at the same time out of the 9 sets of heads on this bench this set was the 2nd worst."
"I had a set of brand new PP stage 2 heads flowed at my local bench today.
As far as my local bench goes it is normally lower then the "advertisied" flow numbers. I have done 9 sets now on this bench and I had Jason from Thunder do 1 set for me a few weeks ago to compair numbers.
The local bench and TR's bench were almost dead on for the intake side, and my local bench outflowed Thunders bench by 8-10 cfm's on the exhaust.
Anyways, this was on a 3.9 bore, clad radius, no pipe etc.
Just like most companies do it.
Intake Exhaust
100--- 57.12--- 53.23
200--- 127.54-- 89.11
300--- 189.77-- 123.10
400--- 235.84-- 150.62
500--- 268.32-- 173.11
600--- 280.25-- 190.61
700--- 291.17-- 198.51
I was impressed how these heads just kept flowing up till 700. I am not very impressed with the overall numbers.
Again this is a different bench then what PP uses but at the same time out of the 9 sets of heads on this bench this set was the 2nd worst."
Please email or PM us. We would like to send a pick up for these heads and check them out. Something is amiss.
03-04-2006, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by obZidian
Lift Exhuast Intake
.200 109 144
.300 154 202
.400 187 254
.500 205 290
.550 210 301
.600 214 313
I got a price quote for about 1425.00
.200 109 144
.300 154 202
.400 187 254
.500 205 290
.550 210 301
.600 214 313
I got a price quote for about 1425.00
03-04-2006, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by nexvctm2001ss
4 the money you can't beat pp heads those other heads only flow a little more than the pp 4 the money they can't be beat 
03-30-2006, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunnar@Patriot
Please email or PM us. We would like to send a pick up for these heads and check them out. Something is amiss.
I just want to add a update here as I dont like spreading false info.
Weird thing happened a few days ago I called Gunner about a spring kit.
As soon as I told him my name he knew who I was and didn't sound like he was thrilled to talk to me. After BSing for a minute or 2 the subject of flow numbers were brought up.
When I told him who's head I flowed to get the flow numbers I posted above he informed me the port design and program they use has changed 3 times since I flowed these heads. For the past 15 minutes I have been looking for this thread so I could add this information and hopefully point out the fact that my flow numbers should be low in comparision to their new products.
The head I flowed was new at the time but was purchased over 1 year ago.
The car with these heads made 430 RWHP with all bolton's, 224/228 581/588 cam, and a fast 90/90.
Again not the best numbers but again that was a different port program on those heads.
Now my oponion's that I shared during this thread has not changed. I am still a big fan of the ETP/AFR stuff, and still feel that a stage 3 patroit head will not stack up to a ETP head on the motor being discussed in this thread.
I am not one to bash a company or imply false info. I am here to correct that mistake. If I have mislead anyone o this site then I am sorry. I defentially try to make info I post accurate, but am not always perfect.
