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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 03:17 PM
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I'm looking to buy a TR 224 114LSA. I know I can reuse the stock retainers, but what will I gain by replacing them with titanium? Are there any downsides to the Ti?

Also, the reason I'm choosing this cam for my 2000 SS is it's my DD. With full bolt ons I want to be VERY close to the 400 rwhp mark. Is this possible? (I think it is.) Will the Ti retainers help me achieve my goal?
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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 04:25 PM
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There are no downsides to Ti retainers. They're about 50% lighter than stock, and makes the valvetrain more efficient and faster revving.

You should be able to get close to 400 with that cam and a good tune, but the Ti retainers won't make or break you, but they will help.
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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 04:49 PM
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You don't mention changing the springs, but I assume that is what you intend with 918's since you are using stock retainers.

One other upside to the titanium retainers (or Comp steel for that matter), they fit the spring better than stock. I don't like the way the stock retainers fit, and personally wouldn't use them on the 918's.
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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 05:00 PM
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I've got the TR224 114 LSA cam. I used the stock retainers and have had 0 problems. There's not any downside for the new retainers other than spending some more money.
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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 05:50 PM
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yea exactly...the Ti can buy you a few hundred revs before valve float would normally occur. Dont forget though, your making it that much easier on other parts by saving a little bit of weight. If you have the extra cash..i would buy them, if your on a tight budget dont worry about it. I personally have them, i just have not installed the cam yet...i figured it was a little bit of extra insurance at high RPM
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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 10:44 PM
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i didnt use them just kept the stockers.. they have worked flawlessly
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 11:29 AM
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Of course I will be replacing the stock springs with 918's. I won't be revving the crap out of my engine, but the Ti seems to be a little bit of insurance. I might as well spend the extra $.
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Big plans Nate? I was gonna get the Ti's but couldn't find a decent price.
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I used the stockers on mine, exact cam but on a 112 with no problems at all, but I know what you mean by a little insurance so have at it!
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by radkon
Big plans Nate? I was gonna get the Ti's but couldn't find a decent price.
I may be cooking something up. Screw 12's. 11's and I'll be happy (for a while).
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With the small retainers used on the bee hive springs you only save 2g per retainer. Stock are 11g ea and ti are 9g ea.
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Originally Posted by 2xLS1
With the small retainers used on the bee hive springs you only save 2g per retainer. Stock are 11g ea and ti are 9g ea.

That's a lot. The Ti retainers that came with my PSI beehive springs on the Dart heads are 6 g each.
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The ones I weighed came from Thunder Racing a couple of years ago. I weighed them on a triple beam scale with .1g resolution.
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I know they are slightly larger than my retainers as I have measured mine and looked at the Comp specifications. Still seems to be a pretty big difference. That is one thing I liked about the Dart setup, the valve train parts were very light.
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Would titanium retainers be NEEDED for a MS3 or can I use stockers?
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