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Old 04-17-2006, 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by cws T/A
All talk of no torque in a V8 reminds me of
We are looking for some big peak numbers too though.
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Originally Posted by Relativelyfast
We are looking for some big peak numbers too though.

I know people say peak but look at a ms3 dyno sheet. Once you get up there in the RPMS, in a manual car, every shift your making BIG power.
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What about if you're running a higher stall (4000) with 3.73s gears? Every time the A4 shifts it should be ripping straight through shouldn't it?
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if your shifting at 6500rpm give or take you drop what 1500rpm so a big cam so will pull a little one with a 4,000 stall . Also that type of power isnt being made at part throttle only when WOT .

I have a big flattappet compcam XE in a s10 with a 355ci and NO STALL, but 4.10 gears /th350 I LOPED away from carS from a light easy , had some integra going through his gears from a stoplight and i just 1/2 throttled my factory 1800stall away from him granted its not the best combo but it still will light the tires at will and im probly only 300rwhp
A V8 with a large cam will have more than enough of drivability torque them either downshift or flash your 4000 stall and
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I'm thinking I will lose some lowend as opposed to stock with an MS3, but I can't floor it off of idle on the street as is, so it won't hurt me at all. Then I should make big power once it starts winding out.
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Originally Posted by Relativelyfast
I'm thinking I will lose some lowend as opposed to stock with an MS3, but I can't floor it off of idle on the street as is, so it won't hurt me at all. Then I should make big power once it starts winding out.
That might be true in 1st gear, but if you try racing me from a low rpm roll in 3rd gear, I would show you my tailights so quick it would make your head spin. Area under the curve is where it's at, not just peak.
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
That might be true in 1st gear, but if you try racing me from a low rpm roll in 3rd gear, I would show you my tailights so quick it would make your head spin. Area under the curve is where it's at, not just peak.
go the 4000stall hits (hell ill go 5000rpm stall some run **** like that on here )
the torque is right instant boom hook I'm gone riding the horspower 6500rpm shift 2nd gear tires hit violent {torques right their } by now the big cams walking you so you
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Originally Posted by cws T/A
go the 4000stall hits (hell ill go 5000rpm stall some run **** like that on here )
the torque is right instant boom hook I'm gone riding the horspower 6500rpm shift 2nd gear tires hit violent {torques right their } by now the big cams walking you so you
BIG CAMS ARNT MADE FOR NUTHIN
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cws t/a WHAT THE **** DID YOU JUST SAY?
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I was tring to make a point . High stalling A4/ A3/A2 do not load the engine as bad as a T56 unlocked . Hence area under the curve the manual guys chime in and **** with auto guys camshaft selection

If a t56 car was at 3000rpm in 3rd gear and raced a 4000+stalled auto at the same mile per hour with the same camshafts ,mods which would win by 100mph
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Originally Posted by cws T/A
I was tring to make a point . High stalling A4/ A3/A2 do not load the engine as bad as a T56 unlocked . Hence area under the curve the manual guys chime in and **** with auto guys camshaft selection

If a t56 car was at 3000rpm in 3rd gear and raced a 4000+stalled auto at the same mile per hour with the same camshafts ,mods which would win by 100mph
Hey, don't get me wrong, I love the automatics with high stall converters. I've owned 15 different converters in 4 different LS1 powered vehicles. My point is directed toward Stripey and his choice of a teaming a good cam with a 3200 stall converter. With a stall that low, he's going to need strong mid-range torque. The smaller duration, narrower LSA cam works better with this combination.

Now if you're running a Pro Thruster 4600, then the cam recommendations change completely. But with a tight 3200 stall, more mid-range torque is going to get the car down the track quicker than putting in a top-end biased cam.
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
That might be true in 1st gear, but if you try racing me from a low rpm roll in 3rd gear, I would show you my tailights so quick it would make your head spin. Area under the curve is where it's at, not just peak.

Why would anyone run from a 3rd gear LOW rpm roll?
Any type of roll with anyone your around 4krpms at MINIMUM. The ms3 car would show your its tailights no?
From a dig also.

right or wrong?
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Originally Posted by CraZee ZO6
Why would anyone run from a 3rd gear LOW rpm roll?
Any type of roll with anyone your around 4krpms at MINIMUM. The ms3 car would show your its tailights no?
From a dig also.

right or wrong?
Not all street races happen when you're ready. Often, some cat will roll up on you and want to race when you're out of your powerband. Happens all the time, especially if you don't have a lot of gear. You'd be very surprised how a smaller cam with proper valve events can spank a car with a top-end biased cam...especially from a dig. It's like an LS1 racing a Supra. The race may be close from a roll, but the LS1 will almost always win from a dig. A cam with better power under the curve (read average power) will have the advantage in most racing situations.

Same thing goes with cylinder heads. The high flow number at .650" lift might sell heads, but the flow at .350-.500" is what normally matters the most.
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Originally Posted by CraZee ZO6
Why would anyone run from a 3rd gear LOW rpm roll?
Any type of roll with anyone your around 4krpms at MINIMUM. The ms3 car would show your its tailights no?
From a dig also.

right or wrong?
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If you got the MS3 camshaft just use 4.10s ''Dont Fear The Gear ''
your car has less weight less offline torque will help you roll out with out spinning on the street
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opinions on a MS3 or T2 in a 364 10:1 CR with 410s and 2800 stall
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is that combo for a truck pictured in avatar
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yes and 100 or 125 nitrous shot if that helps


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