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Old 07-20-2006, 11:02 AM
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I have some info from the dyno time, but it's being held for a upcoming magazine article

I have some extra dyno time next week for testing cylinder heads with the new torquer 3 camshaft. We're going to test PRC 200 cc heads, prc ls6 heads, & a few others that you guys would like for me to test.
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Originally Posted by Jason 98 TA
I have some info from the dyno time, but it's being held for a upcoming magazine article

I have some extra dyno time next week for testing cylinder heads with the new torquer 3 camshaft. We're going to test PRC 200 cc heads, prc ls6 heads, & a few others that you guys would like for me to test.
How about testing the AFR 205 and ETP 215 also?

Would you test the AFR and ETP at 59cc?

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Originally Posted by Cobraeater
How about testing the AFR 205 and ETP 215 also?

Would you test the AFR and ETP at 59cc?

Go ahead and throw a TFS 215 in there at 59
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Send us a free set & I'll put them in
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what are the prc200cc heads??
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Hmmm I was hoping to see results, I'm looking for some heads to put on my 02 Z06.
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For what its worth, I put out of the box untouched Dart 225 heads on my 408 with a Comp XFI 236/242 .617/.613 113+5 Valve springs have held up fine 750 miles and some dyno pulls.

I wish Dart had these heads CNC ported, that would have been the killer in this debate. Arn't flow numbers for DART 225 heads similar to AFR205 and patriot heads?
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I'm not sure of the flow numbers but from what I have read the AFRs produce a better airflow velocity and produce consistently stronger torque numbers. Someone correct me if I read wrong.
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Originally Posted by GMH GTO
For what its worth, I put out of the box untouched Dart 225 heads on my 408 with a Comp XFI 236/242 .617/.613 113+5 Valve springs have held up fine 750 miles and some dyno pulls.

I wish Dart had these heads CNC ported, that would have been the killer in this debate. Arn't flow numbers for DART 225 heads similar to AFR205 and patriot heads?

From what I have heard, Dart is working on a CNC version/program for the 205 and 225 heads. When it comes out, who knows?

When they do though, I am sure I will send mine to Dart to have them do it for sure!
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PRC has a CNC program for the dart heads. While it has good results, theyre still not quite on par with AFR or ETP.
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what about these prices? i am considering the 225's with dual springs on a stock short block. i just purchased a d1sc and a set of 1 3/4 tube headers. any thoughts?
http://www.mbeperformance.com/shopping_cart.php
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here is the correct link. $1318 out of the box for 225 is the best price i have seen so far.

http://www.mbeperformance.com/pro1-c...bly-p-149.html

im going on a budget with patriot LS6 2.08/1.60 4" bore milled a little, on my 403
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Originally Posted by GuitsBoy
PRC has a CNC program for the dart heads. While it has good results, theyre still not quite on par with AFR or ETP.
I think what they (TSP/PRC) did was just use their LS6 CNC program and used a Dart head.

I did have TSP's stage II 205's but was talked out of them by some people and plus this was when the smoking issue was around as well. So, I went with the untouched heads. So far, not even a puff of smoke from start up to WOT.

Im sure Darts CNC program, "IF" it comes out, will be something to look into.
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Hows about throwing on a set of PATRIOTS cnc'd heads in the comparo. At $1200.00 bucks how can pass that up ?
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Originally Posted by Jason 98 TA
I have some info from the dyno time, but it's being held for a upcoming magazine article

I have some extra dyno time next week for testing cylinder heads with the new torquer 3 camshaft. We're going to test PRC 200 cc heads, prc ls6 heads, & a few others that you guys would like for me to test.

Have you guys flowed the ETP 215 recently on your flowbench? I would think they would set a new record on your bench for a 3.900 bore.

Any new info on the head dyno tests?
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The 205 heads seem like the way to go. The 225's dont start out flowing until .500" lift.

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I'm in the market for heads that will make good power and not necessarily intersted in the last Nth degree of HP at redline. I eagerly read through all these 6 pages of posts to find NOTHING. That in itself is steering me right towards AFR's or ETP's.

And up to this point, I was seriously considering the TSP 2.5's...
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Originally Posted by GreekPT
I'm in the market for heads that will make good power and not necessarily intersted in the last Nth degree of HP at redline. I eagerly read through all these 6 pages of posts to find NOTHING. That in itself is steering me right towards AFR's or ETP's.

And up to this point, I was seriously considering the TSP 2.5's...
same here..i read through all of this and found nothing really as well except the ported dart heads i was interested in aren't being made anymore


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