New cam, but problems
[quik]------------------- you may have bearing issues if you never did have good psi and now with a ported pump still having low psi. then i would worry about your motor. and honestly you have to much spring pressure for that cam. another reason why i dont like that company you delt with. with that cam of yours you should of just ran 918s.
replace lifters, change springs to 918s and hopefully then your issues are gone but really i do believe if you never seen your oil psi peg under WOT then you have motor issues
replace lifters, change springs to 918s and hopefully then your issues are gone but really i do believe if you never seen your oil psi peg under WOT then you have motor issues
ehh... honestly i never paid attention to the oil pressure at WOT...
i just konw that at warm idle it was in the 40 range... and under normal driving it would increase to the next line i think (dont recall off the top of my head what that temp is) - and i really don't have the $$ to go buying another set of springs, etc.
When i bought it, the company said they had a very large amount of ppl with the same setup as mine and were very happy with the results... so i dont see why they would sell this as a set, if the sprigns were too strong for the cam...
but who knows
i just konw that at warm idle it was in the 40 range... and under normal driving it would increase to the next line i think (dont recall off the top of my head what that temp is) - and i really don't have the $$ to go buying another set of springs, etc.
When i bought it, the company said they had a very large amount of ppl with the same setup as mine and were very happy with the results... so i dont see why they would sell this as a set, if the sprigns were too strong for the cam...
but who knows
Originally Posted by 01Bird_of_Prey
Oil is it's thinnest when it's cold and it's thickest when it's warm, so there goes that theory
Originally Posted by SonofaBish
ehh... honestly i never paid attention to the oil pressure at WOT...
i just konw that at warm idle it was in the 40 range... and under normal driving it would increase to the next line i think (dont recall off the top of my head what that temp is) - and i really don't have the $$ to go buying another set of springs, etc.
When i bought it, the company said they had a very large amount of ppl with the same setup as mine and were very happy with the results... so i dont see why they would sell this as a set, if the sprigns were too strong for the cam...
but who knows
i just konw that at warm idle it was in the 40 range... and under normal driving it would increase to the next line i think (dont recall off the top of my head what that temp is) - and i really don't have the $$ to go buying another set of springs, etc.
When i bought it, the company said they had a very large amount of ppl with the same setup as mine and were very happy with the results... so i dont see why they would sell this as a set, if the sprigns were too strong for the cam...
but who knows
Originally Posted by StreetnStrip
im smacking you in person. that company is garbage IMHO, they sell things that fail. do a search and see how many ppl been having issues with them. and 918s are only like 160, sell those you have and buy the 918s and we do have a set in stock
Every o-ring that Ive swapped has been blue, never seen a green or black one.
Have you checked all the rockers? Ive seen them tick after warming up if they are loose.
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Originally Posted by Z'mnypit
What the hell does his ticking have to do with that company? All he did was swap cams/pump/springs. When there is oil pressure issues, after the car warms up, then a tick, and to top off they didnt use a new o-ring. Now where do you think the problems is? O-ring maybe, or possibly his mechanic. Afterall the first time he did leave the o-ring off. My advise, take it to some one that know's LS1's. Also- so if he sells his gold springs & buy's the 918's the ticking is going to disapear right? Dont think so!
Every o-ring that Ive swapped has been blue, never seen a green or black one.
Have you checked all the rockers? Ive seen them tick after warming up if they are loose.
Every o-ring that Ive swapped has been blue, never seen a green or black one.
Have you checked all the rockers? Ive seen them tick after warming up if they are loose.
his motor has more issues then he realizes. have you heard his motor? NO you didnt, have I? yes i have. before the cam swap it made all kinds of abnormal noises.
Originally Posted by StreetnStrip
dude hush up, im not comparing his ticking to the springs for that company. i did say the springs are overkill for his setup. read closer!!!
his motor has more issues then he realizes. have you heard his motor? NO you didnt, have I? yes i have. before the cam swap it made all kinds of abnormal noises.
his motor has more issues then he realizes. have you heard his motor? NO you didnt, have I? yes i have. before the cam swap it made all kinds of abnormal noises.
Might want to cut the oil filter open to see what you find, he may have some bearing issues. (been there done that.)
i said that somewhere he might have bearing issues.
ive read and seen to many issues with patriot parts failing. and as for what they offered i personally would of never went with his setup.
ive read and seen to many issues with patriot parts failing. and as for what they offered i personally would of never went with his setup.
Originally Posted by StreetnStrip
i said that somewhere he might have bearing issues.
ive read and seen to many issues with patriot parts failing. and as for what they offered i personally would of never went with his setup.
ive read and seen to many issues with patriot parts failing. and as for what they offered i personally would of never went with his setup.
ok... wait a min... don't start making it seem like i'm blaming patriot...
the engine made some excess valvetrain noise before.... but nothing like what its doing now.... and i mean NOTHING like it is now... and i dont feet that it is patriots fault... it seems pretty apparent that the lifters are collapsing.. sooooooo...... we're trying the o-ring idea.... i'm just praying it works... if it doesnt... i dunno where to go... yea, i can replace lifters, but then that won't fix the fact that oil pressure is still a lower than it should be....
and anoterh question - not being smart, cuz i really dont know - how would bearing issues cause what is happening?
the engine made some excess valvetrain noise before.... but nothing like what its doing now.... and i mean NOTHING like it is now... and i dont feet that it is patriots fault... it seems pretty apparent that the lifters are collapsing.. sooooooo...... we're trying the o-ring idea.... i'm just praying it works... if it doesnt... i dunno where to go... yea, i can replace lifters, but then that won't fix the fact that oil pressure is still a lower than it should be....
and anoterh question - not being smart, cuz i really dont know - how would bearing issues cause what is happening?
Originally Posted by Z'mnypit
In the past, I would agree with you. But they have come a long ways since then. If you do see any failures lately they are either from old parts, or its something that generates failure. Im on here everyday & I havent seen all these failures you keep refering to.
Originally Posted by SonofaBish
ok... wait a min... don't start making it seem like i'm blaming patriot...
the engine made some excess valvetrain noise before.... but nothing like what its doing now.... and i mean NOTHING like it is now... and i dont feet that it is patriots fault... it seems pretty apparent that the lifters are collapsing.. sooooooo...... we're trying the o-ring idea.... i'm just praying it works... if it doesnt... i dunno where to go... yea, i can replace lifters, but then that won't fix the fact that oil pressure is still a lower than it should be....
and anoterh question - not being smart, cuz i really dont know - how would bearing issues cause what is happening?
the engine made some excess valvetrain noise before.... but nothing like what its doing now.... and i mean NOTHING like it is now... and i dont feet that it is patriots fault... it seems pretty apparent that the lifters are collapsing.. sooooooo...... we're trying the o-ring idea.... i'm just praying it works... if it doesnt... i dunno where to go... yea, i can replace lifters, but then that won't fix the fact that oil pressure is still a lower than it should be....
and anoterh question - not being smart, cuz i really dont know - how would bearing issues cause what is happening?
lol the springs you have are fine, dont switch to 918's...although they would have been fine I dont think they are causing your problem whatsoever. Swap the pushrods if you want, but def check out the o-ring on your oil pump. Then maybe check to see if you collapsed a lifter. Just take your time and dont run the engine long if the oil pressure isnt up to par, otherwise you will need a new engine. Good luck though and keep us updated.
that is correct, sir.... when we installed the oil pump the first time, we didnt realize that the new one didnt come with an o-ring... so when we were stumped, we looked at the old oil pump, and saw a ring on it... and wondered... so we tore it down and found it w/o an o-ring... so... we re-used the old o-ring... i'm currently without a vehicle with a roof (all i have is my sportbike) so since it's pouring down rain right now, my buddy/mechanic is working on it as we speak....
i'm hoping
i'm hoping
Originally Posted by SonofaBish
that is correct, sir.... when we installed the oil pump the first time, we didnt realize that the new one didnt come with an o-ring... so when we were stumped, we looked at the old oil pump, and saw a ring on it... and wondered... so we tore it down and found it w/o an o-ring... so... we re-used the old o-ring... i'm currently without a vehicle with a roof (all i have is my sportbike) so since it's pouring down rain right now, my buddy/mechanic is working on it as we speak....
i'm hoping
i'm hoping
Keep us posted on how everything turns out.
Originally Posted by SonofaBish
that is correct, sir.... when we installed the oil pump the first time, we didnt realize that the new one didnt come with an o-ring... so when we were stumped, we looked at the old oil pump, and saw a ring on it... and wondered... so we tore it down and found it w/o an o-ring... so... we re-used the old o-ring... i'm currently without a vehicle with a roof (all i have is my sportbike) so since it's pouring down rain right now, my buddy/mechanic is working on it as we speak....
i'm hoping
i'm hoping
Originally Posted by SonofaBish
that is correct, sir.... when we installed the oil pump the first time, we didnt realize that the new one didnt come with an o-ring... so when we were stumped, we looked at the old oil pump, and saw a ring on it... and wondered... so we tore it down and found it w/o an o-ring... so... we re-used the old o-ring... i'm currently without a vehicle with a roof (all i have is my sportbike) so since it's pouring down rain right now, my buddy/mechanic is working on it as we speak....
i'm hoping
i'm hoping
Yea I hear ya. I had a similar problem with my buddies 02 z28 after a cam install. We pinched the o-ring and it wasnt getting enough oil pressure. Switching to 918 springs would be taking a step back, and although 918's work well the dual valve springs are just extra insurance against a valve spring braking, but it def wouldnt hurt your setup whatsoever. I hope thats your problem as its a pretty easy fix, just make sure its getting enough oil pressure or kill the engine quick as you can cause some serious damage. I hope everything works out and goodluck.