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Old May 11, 2006 | 02:29 PM
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Sucks! Yeah dont reuse the stockers. Most of the time they will tear. Also make sure the new one doesnt get the slightest pinched. May have to get a mirror to see behind it. The new ones dont look like the old stock ones & are somewhat of a pain to get in correctly. Just lube it up with some oil and carefully slid it in. May take some working with. Good luck!
well i hope he's doing it correctly...
i just get a bad feeling that if he redoes it AGAIN tonite, and i still have low pressure, he'll not want to tear it down again.... and since i'm not doing it and he doesnt have a computer at his shop, he can't see this thread.... prayin he gets it right....
thanks tho guys for reinforcing that i didt make a huge mistake by gettin what i got.... quik and streetnstrip have been tellin me for weeks not to get that stuff, but it really fit my wants/budget better.... glad i'm not the only one who thinks that what i got is fine
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Old May 11, 2006 | 02:50 PM
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well i hope he's doing it correctly...
i just get a bad feeling that if he redoes it AGAIN tonite, and i still have low pressure, he'll not want to tear it down again.... and since i'm not doing it and he doesnt have a computer at his shop, he can't see this thread.... prayin he gets it right....
thanks tho guys for reinforcing that i didt make a huge mistake by gettin what i got.... quik and streetnstrip have been tellin me for weeks not to get that stuff, but it really fit my wants/budget better.... glad i'm not the only one who thinks that what i got is fine
Yeah, your combo isnt the problem, your mechanic & the o-ring more then likely is.. Still cant believe he forgot the O-ring. If that doesnt work, id try putting the stock oil pump back in. Just to see what your oil pressure does then.
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Old May 11, 2006 | 03:06 PM
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Just for refernce my 232/238 cam sees 40+ psi at idle and around 60 psi at wot, and that is using a ported ls6 oil pump. So unless yoru real low on oil you should see around 40 psi. Dont settle for anything less.
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Old May 11, 2006 | 05:16 PM
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just talked to my buddy... he got a new o-ring in and said that when he started the car, it was around the third mark on the oil pressure guage (maybe just below) ... i can't remember what that is, but i think that's about 60... so its around 55 to 60 at cold idle...
he didnt run it long at all tho, b/c he's gonna work on the exhaust tonite and finish it up.... so i guess i'll find out tomorrow if that fixed my problem.... but... from the sounds of it, things are looking up
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just talked to my buddy... he got a new o-ring in and said that when he started the car, it was around the third mark on the oil pressure guage (maybe just below) ... i can't remember what that is, but i think that's about 60... so its around 55 to 60 at cold idle...
he didnt run it long at all tho, b/c he's gonna work on the exhaust tonite and finish it up.... so i guess i'll find out tomorrow if that fixed my problem.... but... from the sounds of it, things are looking up
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Originally Posted by Z'mnypit
Yeah, your combo isnt the problem, your mechanic & the o-ring more then likely is.. Still cant believe he forgot the O-ring. If that doesnt work, id try putting the stock oil pump back in. Just to see what your oil pressure does then.
the mechanic is a good one, he just doesnt know these motors. also dont forget this motor has ISSUES from its past. he bought this car off a private owner and it has been modded and returned to stock. for all he knows it might not even be the original motor in there. so dont just blame the dude who did the cam swap. its true he wasnt familiar with these motors but dude has a good head on his shoulder.

and for bish pumps dont come with Orings. the O ring should of been on the pick up tube. and cold IDLE at 55 is low thats where warm idle should be. hopefully your setup cures it self but there is more to that motor then you want ot believe. it shouldnt make noises like that or have tha low of a psi.
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Old May 11, 2006 | 10:21 PM
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you dont know that the car was modded and then returned to stock... yes, i dont know it wasn't, but you don't know that it was for sure... the springs and everythign seemed to be non-aftermarket, which is one thing you said to look for

and i know i'm not an LS1 'expert' like you quik, but i highly doubt that 60 is low...
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i guess not
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the mechanic is a good one, he just doesnt know these motors. also dont forget this motor has ISSUES from its past. he bought this car off a private owner and it has been modded and returned to stock. for all he knows it might not even be the original motor in there. so dont just blame the dude who did the cam swap. its true he wasnt familiar with these motors but dude has a good head on his shoulder.

and for bish pumps dont come with Orings. the O ring should of been on the pick up tube. and cold IDLE at 55 is low thats where warm idle should be. hopefully your setup cures it self but there is more to that motor then you want ot believe. it shouldnt make noises like that or have tha low of a psi.
Every LS1 powered vehicle ive been in has been approx 40 (middle of gauge) at warm idle. Maybe it is at 55-60 when it first starts up and the oil is cold, but if its at 55-60 at warm idle you have way too much oil in there. I dunno if your talking about an aftermarket oil pan and pump, but stock i havent seen it much higher than 40 at warm idle.
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Originally Posted by SUX2BU
NEVER doubt the "SUX2BU"!!!!!!!!!


i guess not
Ok, now go change the push rods before you become really sorry.
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Old May 12, 2006 | 10:18 AM
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my car has the tsp torquerv2, I have the stock ls6 pump and I idle at 40psi(warm) and under normal driving im right at 60psi, when I got WOT it can get up to about 65psi, does that sound right to you guys?
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my car has the tsp torquerv2, I have the stock ls6 pump and I idle at 40psi(warm) and under normal driving im right at 60psi, when I got WOT it can get up to about 65psi, does that sound right to you guys?

Yup every ls1/ls6 powered vehicle ive been in idles warm at 40 psi, and then wot goes to around 60 or so psi, thats exactly what mine does with the ported ls6 oil pump and the 232/238 cam in my sig
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Every LS1 powered vehicle ive been in has been approx 40 (middle of gauge) at warm idle. Maybe it is at 55-60 when it first starts up and the oil is cold, but if its at 55-60 at warm idle you have way too much oil in there. I dunno if your talking about an aftermarket oil pan and pump, but stock i havent seen it much higher than 40 at warm idle.
ported pumps will be higher from my experience
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Originally Posted by Quik
ported pumps will be higher from my experience

Really? Hmm I have seen it stay about the same, maybe it depends though on oil type, type of prting etc. As long as its at least at 40 psi I wouldnt worry though.
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Old May 12, 2006 | 02:08 PM
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Any updates?
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Old May 12, 2006 | 02:11 PM
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nothing yet... goin to get the car tonight after work... then bringing it back to my apt. to install the new pcm which is coming UPS this afternoon, and then i'll update everyone!
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Just let us know how it works out.
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Old May 12, 2006 | 02:55 PM
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I just spoke with Jay over the phone... He said that warm idle pressure is just over 40 and there is no apparent ticking.... he said he drove it around, came back, drove it around, came back, drove it around again and then just let it sit and idle for a while, and nothing came about.... He also fixed a few other nagging little problems i had, one being that the sway bar was thunking off of the rear pumpkin ...
Finally, the purpose of doing this whole deal was to make the car quit using sooooooooo freakin much oil... he said that the only smoke coming out of it right now is black smoke... so that's a good thing... hopefully the tune on the pcm coming today will cure that...
So... as of now, everythign seems to be fine... woohooo! i dont wanna count my chickens too quickly tho... so... let hope nothing comes about
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my stock 00 cam and oil pump produces 45 psi at idle hot and 70 psi WOT above 2,500...regardless of the oil used. my gf's 99 t/a stock cam & oil pump shows ~22 psi at idle hot and only goes to ~45 at WOT hot...beats me. both engines have 57k on them, but my 57k are a LOT more harsh than hers.
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Sounds like things may be looking up for you.
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