anyone got a 228/232 110 +2
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I have a 228/232 588/595 on a 110+1. See my post in this thread.https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/565710-looking-cam-possibly-patrick-g-s-torque-cam.html
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386/382 not good enough???
That is through 4:10 gears and cam only + bolt ons.
Look at the curve, 325lbs of trq at 2500 rpm andd 340+ at 3000
I think that says it all. This is not a max HP cam it is a true Torque cam.
That is through 4:10 gears and cam only + bolt ons.
Look at the curve, 325lbs of trq at 2500 rpm andd 340+ at 3000
I think that says it all. This is not a max HP cam it is a true Torque cam.
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I guess I am just spoiled... I would expect more than 20-30 hp and tq from that cam and his better heads. Not to mention, I know a guy that got like 401 HP from a cam only setup using one of Thunders old rev pattern cams (do not remember exactly which one it was and do not know the TQ numbers). Of course we also do not know what the rwst of this guys setup was or how well it was tuned. I am quite curious though because this is the direction I want to go with a cam, maybe closer to Patricks LSK cam though.
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Originally Posted by BOWTIE
I guess I am just spoiled... I would expect more than 20-30 hp and tq from that cam and his better heads. Not to mention, I know a guy that got like 401 HP from a cam only setup using one of Thunders old rev pattern cams (do not remember exactly which one it was and do not know the TQ numbers). Of course we also do not know what the rwst of this guys setup was or how well it was tuned. I am quite curious though because this is the direction I want to go with a cam, maybe closer to Patricks LSK cam though.
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I knew they were quite similar. I am not dissing the numbers, but like I said I might be a little spoiled. My numbers (352/356) are with the older pre 2000 LS1 heads (8xx or something like that) that supposedly did not make as much power as the 241's; through a heavy 9" with 35 spline axles (not drilled), detroit locker, and steel drive shaft; stock pullies and mechanical water pump and a 5 minute tune to compensate for the LS6 intake and 28 lb injectors.
Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
386/382 not good enough???
That is through 4:10 gears and cam only + bolt ons.
Look at the curve, 325lbs of trq at 2500 rpm andd 340+ at 3000
I think that says it all. This is not a max HP cam it is a true Torque cam.
That is through 4:10 gears and cam only + bolt ons.
Look at the curve, 325lbs of trq at 2500 rpm andd 340+ at 3000
I think that says it all. This is not a max HP cam it is a true Torque cam.
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I know what you mean, but then you'll have to go bigger like 232/240 and that will be a 4K + rpm performer an a dawg on the low-mid range.
That 228/232 is about the most perfect compromise on street/strip.
That 228/232 is about the most perfect compromise on street/strip.
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You guys who run dyno races will always be umming and ahhing. I have yet to see a dyno accurately meter power and torque as it is driven on the road, especially for stalled autos. So many variations, so many influences.
380rwhp is plenty enough for 11s and upwards near 120mph. Hell, I dont make that much power and I got all the mods under the sun (well, nearly all of them). Still run 119-122MPH and a wheel-spinning 11.7 with MT ET Streets all motor in a heavy-*** GTO.
My point being, they make what they make on the dyno. Track times see through all bull. Some dynos I can't even pull 350rwhp...
380rwhp is plenty enough for 11s and upwards near 120mph. Hell, I dont make that much power and I got all the mods under the sun (well, nearly all of them). Still run 119-122MPH and a wheel-spinning 11.7 with MT ET Streets all motor in a heavy-*** GTO.
My point being, they make what they make on the dyno. Track times see through all bull. Some dynos I can't even pull 350rwhp...
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Spinning ET's with 380 rwhp, perhaps some suspension mods are needed, or proper tuning.
I used to launch my Z last year with 1.53 60' under a shot of juice with no spin. Dead hooks all the time, 12.5>13 lbs hot tire pressure (have inner tubes). 450>500rwhp
I used to launch my Z last year with 1.53 60' under a shot of juice with no spin. Dead hooks all the time, 12.5>13 lbs hot tire pressure (have inner tubes). 450>500rwhp
Originally Posted by BOWTIE
I knew they were quite similar. I am not dissing the numbers, but like I said I might be a little spoiled. My numbers (352/356) are with the older pre 2000 LS1 heads (8xx or something like that) that supposedly did not make as much power as the 241's; through a heavy 9" with 35 spline axles (not drilled), detroit locker, and steel drive shaft; stock pullies and mechanical water pump and a 5 minute tune to compensate for the LS6 intake and 28 lb injectors.
I would have to say you might make more power bolton for bolton though.
I doubt the car with the 228/232 made 350 with bolton's. We would have to have a before and after comparision to see how much power was gained. He may have gained 50 PEAK HP for all we know.
A few months ago LS2Bait, a member on this board brought his car to us for some tuning. With all the bolton's except UD pulley his M6 1999 Camaro only made like 335HP to the ground. After doing a cam, Dana 60 (had the 10 bolt for the first tune) and a retune he picked up like 55 RWHP but was still quite a bit short of 400. This was using a Torque 2 cam he bought from TSP.
Just goes to show the car did what it was supposed to do as far as peak power increase but with a low starting point made less power then expected.
So far at the track he has had a major bogging issue and can't get better then a 1.7x 60 ft, but still runs 12.1 which is fair for his power and 60ft times.
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I have run a bigger cam, a smaller cam, and as Preditor states previously, this is hands down the best of both worlds. I am running AFR 205's and making very good peak numbers without giving up any drivability. I highly recommend it to anyone.
I'm currently installing this cam in my 98, with TSP PRC Heads and all boltons. I should have my new set of heads some time this week. I hope to have this project buttoned up within a week or two, Then Eastside is going to tune it. High numbers are nice, but i want something that'll have power all around and not just @ peak. Anyhow as soon as it's done i'll post up some numbers...
227/232 .640/.595 110(+1) (LSK Intake/XER on Exhaust)
227/232 .640/.595 110(+1) (LSK Intake/XER on Exhaust)
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Originally Posted by BOWTIE
I guess I am just spoiled... I would expect more than 20-30 hp and tq from that cam and his better heads. Not to mention, I know a guy that got like 401 HP from a cam only setup using one of Thunders old rev pattern cams (do not remember exactly which one it was and do not know the TQ numbers). Of course we also do not know what the rwst of this guys setup was or how well it was tuned. I am quite curious though because this is the direction I want to go with a cam, maybe closer to Patricks LSK cam though.
FYI, My numbers before the cam with a tune (after my headers install) were 339 rwhp and 350 rwtq. So I picked up 45 rwhp and 32 rwtq. The graph in the other thread just shows the difference between installing dot to dot and then having the cam degreed. Dot to dot was probably around 112 ICL where it should have been installed on a 109 ICL. Degreeing bumped it up where it should have been. I was hoping for closer to 400 rwhp, my tuner said if I have an underdrive pulley, no cats and got rid of the heavy azz stock wheels it probably would be there. Never the less, triple digit speeds come quite quick and I've been very pleased with this cam.
I'm going to run the a 228/232 110 +2 on XER lobes on the motor i'm building. it will be a 370 ci iron motor with extensively ported heads and 11.2:1 SCR, giving me about about 8.7:1 DCR. It should be interesting to see the low/midrange on it with the compression (both SCR and DCR) and extra cubic inches. I may go with the Fast 90/90 setup as well, not sure yet though.
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just some comparison info for you I have a comp custom grind 228/236, 588 ,114 , stock port and polished heads,manley race master valves,ti retainers,etc. in a 01 ws6 with a 3400 stall,mac headers .off road y making 393 rwhp .352 tq. add around 10% for a dyno jet dyno run and I have around 432 and 387 tq.
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Originally Posted by Brianss1
just some comparison info for you I have a comp custom grind 228/236, 588 ,114 , stock port and polished heads,manley race master valves,ti retainers,etc. in a 01 ws6 with a 3400 stall,mac headers .off road y making 393 rwhp .352 tq. add around 10% for a dyno jet dyno run and I have around 432 and 387 tq.
I have a dynojet, and I will give you free dyno pulls if you can make anything over 430 RWHP with that combo.
Not the best head using the 241 heads, no 90/90 a decent cam, okay exhaust, no UD pulley.
Sorry if I come off like a dick but I don't know where you get 430+HP on a dynojet.
In fact I will even give you a hundred bucks if I am wrong.
If your in Florida look me up one day.