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Old Sep 18, 2006 | 10:41 PM
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Default Start up problem 408 (broken PRC head)

I just got the 408 into my car, hooked everything up and tried to prime the engine, it cranks over once and looses power to the entire car, but power comes back immediately, then it cranks again and looses power and so on. The battery is fully charged, all of the grounds are hooked up. I tried adding another ground from the block to the body, and the block to the battery, and hooked up another hot wire from the battery to the starter. Im running out of ideas on what it could be. Any thoughts?

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Old Sep 18, 2006 | 10:48 PM
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I wouldnt know what to think either but have you checked the ground that runs to the starter. I know I had that problem and thats what it was. Just a thought.
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Old Sep 18, 2006 | 11:03 PM
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Make sure all of your grounds are clean. Its definately high resistance somewhere in a main cable. Make sure your starter draw isnt too much. Second, how long did the battery sit? It may need to trickle charge over night if it sat too long. Tighten up that ground at the battery.
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Old Sep 18, 2006 | 11:15 PM
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Battery was working in another car until i put it in the vette today. I tried putting the charger on it for an hour and nothing happend. Il try cleaning up the grounds.
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Old Sep 19, 2006 | 08:14 AM
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Maybe a stupid question but the car isnt just dying after start up is it? I mean on a H/C tune in my car with the 408 it would start then die, then restart then die until I sorted out a good tune... Its prolly not your issue but I was just checking.... Good luck
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Old Sep 19, 2006 | 09:37 AM
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No, the starter is only clicking over once then dying.
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Old Sep 19, 2006 | 09:50 AM
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First pull the plugs and turn the motor over by hand.This will verify that it is not P/V contact stopping the motor. Next I would look at the starter connections.
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Old Sep 19, 2006 | 11:03 AM
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I just finished installing a 408 in my vett. It's sounds like the wires on the starter are not hooked up right. Make sure that they are in the right place because it will cause the problem you are having. Second any wiring in the install that is not hooked up right or has a problem will cause feed back in these cars. I have found out the hard way on more than once. There are three important hook ups that can cause the car to not to turn over. One the crank position sensor, two the cam positions sensor, and one that most do not think of (me) oil level sensor. I had the wire to this sensor get to hot from the headers and the car would not start and would not turn over at one point when they where grounded together. So check these and hope you find your poblem soon.
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Old Sep 19, 2006 | 11:06 AM
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Old Sep 19, 2006 | 09:47 PM
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Well i figured out what the starting problem was, it was just a ground on the starter.

I started the motor and it sounded sweet, for about 30 secconds, then a horrible clacking sound. Thinking the worst i took off the passenger side valve cover and found this



Those are TSP PRC stage 1 heads with the valve job. Brand new heads. I feel sick.

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Old Sep 19, 2006 | 10:02 PM
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WOW. That's some sickening stuff right there. I'm sure you've contacted them already. Let us know how it goes. Hopefully nothing got down into the chambers and scarred anything up
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Damn, that makes me sick just looking at that picture. Never seen that before. At least it didn't run long. I would send them back and go buy another brand head better suited for a 408.

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Old Sep 19, 2006 | 11:13 PM
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Ouchie ,that sucks ,look like a bad casting
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Old Sep 19, 2006 | 11:22 PM
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Dam..................Id be pissed man. Talk to the company that sold them to you and they should do something for ya
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Old Sep 19, 2006 | 11:23 PM
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ouch that really does hurt right there
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Old Sep 19, 2006 | 11:30 PM
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Ouchie ,that sucks ,look like a bad casting
Yea, thats what im thinking. I emaild texas speed. i guess il have to wait to see what they say.
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Old Sep 19, 2006 | 11:46 PM
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You may want to double check that your pushrods are not too long. Did you verify PV clearance? Only reason I ask is because either will put too much stress on the rocker and break the rocker or the head as what happened to you.
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Old Sep 19, 2006 | 11:47 PM
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yea i checked the puchrod legnth and the ptv clearance so that wasnt a problem.
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Old Sep 20, 2006 | 01:59 AM
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Your Diamond pistons are no where near for PtV issues, they had a ton of room for more lift.

I hope TSP steps up and sends you out a new head asap.
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