What is the Ultimate 346 c.i. N/A here ??
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What is the Ultimate 346 c.i. N/A here ?? I saw Fireball's car and LG motor sport's car and Jerese from TR and other guys ..... all of them had got 450 rwhp and more ...... how is that ????
We want to open our block to fix it ..... so we said if we want to open it , its better to put some serious stuff.
We have MTI stage 2 right now , we want to get JE pistons and some other things ....
so what is the best cam , we want large cam that will give us some serious HP and TQ , but will leave the car streetable
What do you think guys ??
thanks in advance
We want to open our block to fix it ..... so we said if we want to open it , its better to put some serious stuff.
We have MTI stage 2 right now , we want to get JE pistons and some other things ....
so what is the best cam , we want large cam that will give us some serious HP and TQ , but will leave the car streetable
What do you think guys ??
thanks in advance
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Re: What is the Ultimate 346 c.i. N/A here ?? Well it seems that the newest recepie for big power is to not only have a good big cam, and good heads but to match the two together. In light of this I would contact MTI and ask them to match one of their cams to their stage 2 heads.
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Re: What is the Ultimate 346 c.i. N/A here ?? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by niphilli:
<strong> Well it seems that the newest recepie for big power is to not only have a good big cam, and good heads but to match the two together. In light of this I would contact MTI and ask them to match one of their cams to their stage 2 heads. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am sure that MTI will say X1 ..... and its a good cam , but I feel that their are alot of cams will give me power more than X1
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<strong> Well it seems that the newest recepie for big power is to not only have a good big cam, and good heads but to match the two together. In light of this I would contact MTI and ask them to match one of their cams to their stage 2 heads. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am sure that MTI will say X1 ..... and its a good cam , but I feel that their are alot of cams will give me power more than X1
thanks
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Re: What is the Ultimate 346 c.i. N/A here ?? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by quickWS6:
<strong> One way to be sure you get 450 at the wheels.....solid roller <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">hahahahaha
Yeah we were looking for Solid ...... but the car belong to my friend , and he want more than 450 rwhp with 346 c.i. with haydrulic cam and JE pistons
so what do you think guys ??
<strong> One way to be sure you get 450 at the wheels.....solid roller <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">hahahahaha
Yeah we were looking for Solid ...... but the car belong to my friend , and he want more than 450 rwhp with 346 c.i. with haydrulic cam and JE pistons
so what do you think guys ??
Re: What is the Ultimate 346 c.i. N/A here ?? I see people do not like to use the search function. You guys are trying to make me look like I am on Futral Motorsports dick. Who has the ultimate 346ci NA with a M6? Both cars done by Futral Motorsports. Look at the mph.. 128mph.. Raughammer is the quickest A4 346ci and he does this with a 195lb lighter car. 10.663 at 124 for Raughammer on a 1.38 60 ft and GTS SS from Futral Motorsports 10.669 at 128mph on a 1.52 60ft.. Futral Motorsports own shop car runs 10.72 at 128mph at 55lbs heavier than GTS SS at a 1.48 60ft.. Need I get into dyno #'s? 460rwhp with the ls6 intake and 4.30 gears out of a 12 bolt with a heavy azz driveshaft.. By the way, the shop car is a daily driver when it is not having changes made to it.. So many people are hyped on dyno #'s, but they fail to realize that is not the whole equation.. I have seen many cars dyno high #'s and run the same times as cars dyno'ing 30 to 40rwhp less.. I will give you an example.. Look at Richie Carbones on setup. He dyno'd less than 410rwhp when he ran 11.5's at 122mph at 3500lbs.. Look at the 430 to 450rwhp cars.. What are they running at 3500lbs..?
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Re: What is the Ultimate 346 c.i. N/A here ?? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VINCE:
<strong> I see people do not like to use the search function. You guys are trying to make me look like I am on Futral Motorsports dick. Who has the ultimate 346ci NA with a M6? Both cars done by Futral Motorsports. Look at the mph.. 128mph.. Raughammer is the quickest A4 346ci and he does this with a 195lb lighter car. 10.663 at 124 for Raughammer on a 1.38 60 ft and GTS SS from Futral Motorsports 10.669 at 128mph on a 1.52 60ft.. Futral Motorsports own shop car runs 10.72 at 128mph at 55lbs heavier than GTS SS at a 1.48 60ft.. Need I get into dyno #'s? 460rwhp with the ls6 intake and 4.30 gears out of a 12 bolt with a heavy azz driveshaft.. By the way, the shop car is a daily driver when it is not having changes made to it.. So many people are hyped on dyno #'s, but they fail to realize that is not the whole equation.. I have seen many cars dyno high #'s and run the same times as cars dyno'ing 30 to 40rwhp less.. I will give you an example.. Look at Richie Carbones on setup. He dyno'd less than 410rwhp when he ran 11.5's at 122mph at 3500lbs.. Look at the 430 to 450rwhp cars.. What are they running at 3500lbs..? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And what kinda cam does Futral run? a solid roller
Raughammer is lighter, but he was running a small hydraulic cam
I do agree that too many people look at dyno numbers instead of track times.
<strong> I see people do not like to use the search function. You guys are trying to make me look like I am on Futral Motorsports dick. Who has the ultimate 346ci NA with a M6? Both cars done by Futral Motorsports. Look at the mph.. 128mph.. Raughammer is the quickest A4 346ci and he does this with a 195lb lighter car. 10.663 at 124 for Raughammer on a 1.38 60 ft and GTS SS from Futral Motorsports 10.669 at 128mph on a 1.52 60ft.. Futral Motorsports own shop car runs 10.72 at 128mph at 55lbs heavier than GTS SS at a 1.48 60ft.. Need I get into dyno #'s? 460rwhp with the ls6 intake and 4.30 gears out of a 12 bolt with a heavy azz driveshaft.. By the way, the shop car is a daily driver when it is not having changes made to it.. So many people are hyped on dyno #'s, but they fail to realize that is not the whole equation.. I have seen many cars dyno high #'s and run the same times as cars dyno'ing 30 to 40rwhp less.. I will give you an example.. Look at Richie Carbones on setup. He dyno'd less than 410rwhp when he ran 11.5's at 122mph at 3500lbs.. Look at the 430 to 450rwhp cars.. What are they running at 3500lbs..? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And what kinda cam does Futral run? a solid roller
Raughammer is lighter, but he was running a small hydraulic cam
I do agree that too many people look at dyno numbers instead of track times.
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Verdad Gallardo Re: What is the Ultimate 346 c.i. N/A here ?? Yes it was a solid roller cam. There are bigger hydraulic roller cams out there. I think Futrals cam is on a 233 duration.. You mentioned small hyd cam and lighter.. Look at 60 ft and mph.. They also have the first cam only car in the 10's in the 1/4th at the same weight Raughammer car ran a 10.66 at 124mph.. The cam only car did 10.98 at 121mph with a 1.45 60 ft.. Things that make you go hmmmmm..
Re: What is the Ultimate 346 c.i. N/A here ?? No doubt Futral's cars are running strong but they have huge solid roller cams and 12.5 to 1 compression. Is that streetable? Does that run on pump gas?
Do all the really high horsepower cars have high compression? Do you know what Cartek runs for compression?
Do all the really high horsepower cars have high compression? Do you know what Cartek runs for compression?
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Re: What is the Ultimate 346 c.i. N/A here ?? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Bill00Formula:
<strong> No doubt Futral's cars are running strong but they have huge solid roller cams and 12.5 to 1 compression. Is that streetable? Does that run on pump gas?
Do all the really high horsepower cars have high compression? Do you know what Cartek runs for compression? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually Raugh has a 230/227 hydraulic now and Futral has a 233/233 solid on MUCH more aggressive ramps. I have heard and ridden in Futral's SS and the idle is pretty damn solid, much better than the X1. I personally feel that 12.5:1 on pump with timing dialed back a bit is ten times as streetable as a gutted F-body with a high stall converter but that's me.
<strong> No doubt Futral's cars are running strong but they have huge solid roller cams and 12.5 to 1 compression. Is that streetable? Does that run on pump gas?
Do all the really high horsepower cars have high compression? Do you know what Cartek runs for compression? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually Raugh has a 230/227 hydraulic now and Futral has a 233/233 solid on MUCH more aggressive ramps. I have heard and ridden in Futral's SS and the idle is pretty damn solid, much better than the X1. I personally feel that 12.5:1 on pump with timing dialed back a bit is ten times as streetable as a gutted F-body with a high stall converter but that's me.
Re: What is the Ultimate 346 c.i. N/A here ?? I believe the spec's on Gordon's car per Futral's website: FMS/Custom Grind Solid Roller Cam 245/251 .735/.740 113 LS w/Custom T&D 1.8 ratio Rocker Arms.
I have a '00 6 spd w/ the C1 cam w/ Stage II stock compression heads that runs great for the most part. Sometimes it searches for an idle (let it idle 5-10 seconds) and surges in parking lot situations. It doesn't dyno any where near what some of these cars do.
I have a '00 6 spd w/ the C1 cam w/ Stage II stock compression heads that runs great for the most part. Sometimes it searches for an idle (let it idle 5-10 seconds) and surges in parking lot situations. It doesn't dyno any where near what some of these cars do.
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Re: What is the Ultimate 346 c.i. N/A here ?? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VINCE:
<strong> Yes it was a solid roller cam. There are bigger hydraulic roller cams out there. I think Futrals cam is on a 233 duration.. You mentioned small hyd cam and lighter.. Look at 60 ft and mph.. They also have the first cam only car in the 10's in the 1/4th at the same weight Raughammer car ran a 10.66 at 124mph.. The cam only car did 10.98 at 121mph with a 1.45 60 ft.. Things that make you go hmmmmm.. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Our 233 solid cam has the same demeanor as the 227 hydraulic cam. Mike's weight was 3300 lbs on the 10.98 run vs. Raughammer's 3200 but there is more to it than just weight difference.
12.0 compression is very easy to drive on the street using pump gas with the proper tuning. I think our SS is very streetable it gets driven all week long when in street mode, even drops our 4 year old off at school each morning. We give free rides in it too so if anyone is interested come on over. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
<strong> Yes it was a solid roller cam. There are bigger hydraulic roller cams out there. I think Futrals cam is on a 233 duration.. You mentioned small hyd cam and lighter.. Look at 60 ft and mph.. They also have the first cam only car in the 10's in the 1/4th at the same weight Raughammer car ran a 10.66 at 124mph.. The cam only car did 10.98 at 121mph with a 1.45 60 ft.. Things that make you go hmmmmm.. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Our 233 solid cam has the same demeanor as the 227 hydraulic cam. Mike's weight was 3300 lbs on the 10.98 run vs. Raughammer's 3200 but there is more to it than just weight difference.
12.0 compression is very easy to drive on the street using pump gas with the proper tuning. I think our SS is very streetable it gets driven all week long when in street mode, even drops our 4 year old off at school each morning. We give free rides in it too so if anyone is interested come on over. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: What is the Ultimate 346 c.i. N/A here ?? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Candy:
<strong> We give free rides in it too so if anyone is interested come on over. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And free drives.. when Allan is in the right mood. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" /> Well maybe not free since I'll have to return the favor when mine is done. lol
I have driven Allan's car and it does drive extremely well. I would say it drives just as good as my TR230 cam I was previously running. This is one of the biggest advantages of a solid roller. You can go quite big with the cam and have better driveability than a similar sized hydraulic cam.
My new 346ci motor is going to be close to 12:1 as well. With proper tuning and cam selection, it will run just fine on 93 octane.
<strong> We give free rides in it too so if anyone is interested come on over. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And free drives.. when Allan is in the right mood. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" /> Well maybe not free since I'll have to return the favor when mine is done. lol
I have driven Allan's car and it does drive extremely well. I would say it drives just as good as my TR230 cam I was previously running. This is one of the biggest advantages of a solid roller. You can go quite big with the cam and have better driveability than a similar sized hydraulic cam.
My new 346ci motor is going to be close to 12:1 as well. With proper tuning and cam selection, it will run just fine on 93 octane.
Re: What is the Ultimate 346 c.i. N/A here ?? I went for a ride in one of Futrals customers cars. A 434ci Solid Roller.. That car is highly streetable as well.. If the setup is done right. Key words being done right. You too can have a fast azz solid roller car w/out sacrificing streetability.. Gordon went big because he wanted too.. Allan's project SS has a much smaller cam and rides awesome.. I would take a engine swap any day from Allan if he would give it up.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />