gmht test- ms4 and ms4 stage1 dyno
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just got the new gm high tech , thought id post up the numbers they got out of the ms4 , and ms4 with stage 1's for everyone still looking for numbers with the ms4...
this is flywheel hp with no accesories-
stock cam-3k rpm=217.8hp ////////////////// ms4 cam-3k rpm=216.4hp
3.5k rpm=256hp /////////////3.5k rpm=253hp
4k rpm=307.2hp ///////////// 4k rpm=290.2
4.4k rpm=342.4hp ///////////// 4.4k rpm= 344.4hp
4.5k rpm=351.3hp ///////////// 4.5k rpm=360.7hp
5k rpm=389.7hp ////////////// 5k rpm=417.5hp
5.5k rpm=399.5hp////////////// 5.5k rpm=451.9hp
5.8k rpm=399.1hp ///////////// 5.8k rpm=465.9hp
//////////////////////////////////////////// 6k rpm=473.1hp
/////////////////////////////////////////// 6.4k rpm=482.3
////////////////////////////////////////// 6.5k rpm=482.2
peak stock cam hp400.4 411.3ft lbs///////peak- ms4hp 482.3 439.1ft lbs
avg- hp 330.69 394.85ft lbs /////////////avg- hp 370.9 407.3ft lbs
ms4+ stage 1 prc's ///////////////////////////// ms4+st1 prc's+fast90/nwtb
3k rpm hp=226.5 /////////////////////////3k rpm hp=225.4
3.5k rpm hp=262.3 ///////////////////////3.5k rpm hp=263.8
4k rpm hp=300.4 ///////////////////////4k rpm hp=306.8
4.4k rpm hp=368.3 //////////////////////4.4k rpm hp=366.9
4.5k rpm hp=383.7 //////////////////////4.5k rpm hp=383.4
5k rpm hp=441.3 //////////////////////5k rpm hp=447.9
5.5k rpm hp=482.4 /////////////////////5.5k rpm hp=498.2
5.8k rpm hp=504.2 /////////////////////5.8k rpm hp= 524
6k rpm hp=513.7 ////////////////////6k rpm hp=534
6.4k rpm hp=526.7 ////////////////////6.4k rpm hp=547
6.5k rpm hp=527 //////////////////////6.5k rpm hp= 550
6.6k rpm hp=529.5 /////////////////////6.6k rpm hp= 551
///////////////////////////////////////////////////6.7k rpm hp=550
///////////////////////////////////////////////////6.8k rpm hp= 549
peak-529.5hp @6.6k 464.3ft lbs @5.1k//peak-551hp@6.6k 476.3ft lbs@5.6k
gain of 129hp h/c ///////////gain of 151hp and 65ft lbs h/c/i
/////////////////////////////////////////// avg numbers of403.3hp 440.2ft lbs
this is flywheel hp with no accesories-
stock cam-3k rpm=217.8hp ////////////////// ms4 cam-3k rpm=216.4hp
3.5k rpm=256hp /////////////3.5k rpm=253hp
4k rpm=307.2hp ///////////// 4k rpm=290.2
4.4k rpm=342.4hp ///////////// 4.4k rpm= 344.4hp
4.5k rpm=351.3hp ///////////// 4.5k rpm=360.7hp
5k rpm=389.7hp ////////////// 5k rpm=417.5hp
5.5k rpm=399.5hp////////////// 5.5k rpm=451.9hp
5.8k rpm=399.1hp ///////////// 5.8k rpm=465.9hp
//////////////////////////////////////////// 6k rpm=473.1hp
/////////////////////////////////////////// 6.4k rpm=482.3
////////////////////////////////////////// 6.5k rpm=482.2
peak stock cam hp400.4 411.3ft lbs///////peak- ms4hp 482.3 439.1ft lbs
avg- hp 330.69 394.85ft lbs /////////////avg- hp 370.9 407.3ft lbs
ms4+ stage 1 prc's ///////////////////////////// ms4+st1 prc's+fast90/nwtb
3k rpm hp=226.5 /////////////////////////3k rpm hp=225.4
3.5k rpm hp=262.3 ///////////////////////3.5k rpm hp=263.8
4k rpm hp=300.4 ///////////////////////4k rpm hp=306.8
4.4k rpm hp=368.3 //////////////////////4.4k rpm hp=366.9
4.5k rpm hp=383.7 //////////////////////4.5k rpm hp=383.4
5k rpm hp=441.3 //////////////////////5k rpm hp=447.9
5.5k rpm hp=482.4 /////////////////////5.5k rpm hp=498.2
5.8k rpm hp=504.2 /////////////////////5.8k rpm hp= 524
6k rpm hp=513.7 ////////////////////6k rpm hp=534
6.4k rpm hp=526.7 ////////////////////6.4k rpm hp=547
6.5k rpm hp=527 //////////////////////6.5k rpm hp= 550
6.6k rpm hp=529.5 /////////////////////6.6k rpm hp= 551
///////////////////////////////////////////////////6.7k rpm hp=550
///////////////////////////////////////////////////6.8k rpm hp= 549
peak-529.5hp @6.6k 464.3ft lbs @5.1k//peak-551hp@6.6k 476.3ft lbs@5.6k
gain of 129hp h/c ///////////gain of 151hp and 65ft lbs h/c/i
/////////////////////////////////////////// avg numbers of403.3hp 440.2ft lbs
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yeah, i read that last night, it was a pretty good article
that 400 hp they got in "stock" trim is alittle misleading, but about right for the mods considering that they had longtubes and LS6 intake on this 2000 LS1... thats about how much flywheel hp i had when i only had longtubes and LS6 intake. i wish they would have tested it with stock exhaust manifolds and LS1 intake manifold (even if they had to plugg the EGR hole) for their baseline.
that 400 hp they got in "stock" trim is alittle misleading, but about right for the mods considering that they had longtubes and LS6 intake on this 2000 LS1... thats about how much flywheel hp i had when i only had longtubes and LS6 intake. i wish they would have tested it with stock exhaust manifolds and LS1 intake manifold (even if they had to plugg the EGR hole) for their baseline.
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Originally Posted by 2000TransAmWS6
yeah, i read that last night, it was a pretty good article
that 400 hp they got in "stock" trim is alittle misleading, but about right for the mods considering that they had longtubes and LS6 intake on this 2000 LS1... thats about how much flywheel hp i had when i only had longtubes and LS6 intake. i wish they would have tested it with stock exhaust manifolds and LS1 intake manifold (even if they had to plugg the EGR hole) for their baseline.
that 400 hp they got in "stock" trim is alittle misleading, but about right for the mods considering that they had longtubes and LS6 intake on this 2000 LS1... thats about how much flywheel hp i had when i only had longtubes and LS6 intake. i wish they would have tested it with stock exhaust manifolds and LS1 intake manifold (even if they had to plugg the EGR hole) for their baseline.
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Originally Posted by Brian @ Texas Speed & Performance
We were testing the gains of the MS4 and MS4 with Stg 1 heads. Most everyone buying either cam only or heads/cam already has LTs, LS6 intake, etc. bolted onto the car. That's why we baselined it with the bolt-ons. What would have been the point of getting a baseline of a bone-stock motor with no mods then adding the heads/cam and all the bolt-ons? The idea of the article was to get results adding heads/cam.
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I believe the article does list torque #s.
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Thanks for posting the info.
I take from this that the fast 90/90 setup is only benneficial from 4500 rpm and above. Considering I spend 99.9% of my time below that, I'm happy to stick with the stock ls6 intake.
Now if I ever decide to make my car a quarter mile queen, and spend lots of time from 4500-6500, then I'll change intakes, but until then, low end torque is where it's at.
I take from this that the fast 90/90 setup is only benneficial from 4500 rpm and above. Considering I spend 99.9% of my time below that, I'm happy to stick with the stock ls6 intake.
Now if I ever decide to make my car a quarter mile queen, and spend lots of time from 4500-6500, then I'll change intakes, but until then, low end torque is where it's at.
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Originally Posted by The Alchemist
Thanks for posting the info.
I take from this that the fast 90/90 setup is only benneficial from 4500 rpm and above. Considering I spend 99.9% of my time below that, I'm happy to stick with the stock ls6 intake.
Now if I ever decide to make my car a quarter mile queen, and spend lots of time from 4500-6500, then I'll change intakes, but until then, low end torque is where it's at.
I take from this that the fast 90/90 setup is only benneficial from 4500 rpm and above. Considering I spend 99.9% of my time below that, I'm happy to stick with the stock ls6 intake.
Now if I ever decide to make my car a quarter mile queen, and spend lots of time from 4500-6500, then I'll change intakes, but until then, low end torque is where it's at.
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There's no need to flycut running the MS4 with the PRC stg 1 heads.
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Originally Posted by Brian @ Texas Speed & Performance
We were testing the gains of the MS4 and MS4 with Stg 1 heads. Most everyone buying either cam only or heads/cam already has LTs, LS6 intake, etc. bolted onto the car. That's why we baselined it with the bolt-ons. What would have been the point of getting a baseline of a bone-stock motor with no mods then adding the heads/cam and all the bolt-ons? The idea of the article was to get results adding heads/cam.
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maybe i'm just being picky... maybe its just my weird intrepretation when reading it
but Brian, i am glad that article was in there, it was really cool seeing the results for the cam alone first, and then they heads added to it... there are not too many cam only MS4 dyno results floating around.
i also wanted to ask you this... the 82 hp gain from this cam that you guys posted on your website, did it come from this test?