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NEW SCHOOL(lsBASED) VS OLD SCHOOL!!
11-07-2006, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MrDude_1
you're wasting your time.
thankfully, he hasn't said anything technical enough that someone will go out and do... so there's little chance of someone harming their car due to his ignorant posts.
just do what i do, stop replying to him (this keeps him from continuing to post) and send a nice PM with reasons to the moderator (click the:
under his name at the bottom of his posts)
eventually if he keeps the crap up, he'll be banned.. this has been gone over before... just laugh with it.. i know i laugh especially hard every time he mentions a SBC 305..
thankfully, he hasn't said anything technical enough that someone will go out and do... so there's little chance of someone harming their car due to his ignorant posts.
just do what i do, stop replying to him (this keeps him from continuing to post) and send a nice PM with reasons to the moderator (click the:
under his name at the bottom of his posts)eventually if he keeps the crap up, he'll be banned.. this has been gone over before... just laugh with it.. i know i laugh especially hard every time he mentions a SBC 305..
basically what you two are showing is a total lack of self restaint and respect. because right now sure you both talk loud but aside from that what else is there. at least the old man there (with an agry tone in his writing) spoke some facts. what about you.
as for boring the engine how much more technical is there about boring the engine out. it was bored 120 over do i have to tell you how long it took? that is about as technical as it needs to get.
11-07-2006, 07:12 PM
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I dont know about you all but here is a pic of a SBC that kicked my *** by a fender in the 1/4 mile. I was spraying a 150 shot with the LS1 (3400 LBS) car in the sig and this (3200 LBS)68 Camaro with an old SBC was all motor.(NO Nitrous yet). BTW I hooked good and he was burning rubber all the way down the track on all motor. 
Not all old SBC or BBC are slow.
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o...S/100_0216.jpg
Not all old SBC or BBC are slow.http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o...S/100_0216.jpg
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11-07-2006, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RomulusSmallBlock
banned for what is this guy your friend must be for you to touble teamin. the 305...for a suppose of tech you know little. 305 cast number 361979 heavy duty block with 4 bolt main caps. now you just disputed this that is your ignorance. if anyone will be banned it will be you two. what is sad i came to this table with facts. facts that can't be argued with but here both of you are. now i doutb your credibility from both of you. if you are in disagreement...look it up. nothing that was presented on my part was unfactual. as for your remark "he hasn't said anything technical enough that someone will go out and do... so there's little chance of someone harming their car due to his ignorant posts," your lack of knowledge is evidant. it amazing that i found something totally new and unheard of plus have the backing of two machinists who have been in the business for 40+ years on what was said and here you are not saying facts but opinions.
basically what you two are showing is a total lack of self restaint and respect. because right now sure you both talk loud but aside from that what else is there. at least the old man there (with an agry tone in his writing) spoke some facts. what about you.
as for boring the engine how much more technical is there about boring the engine out. it was bored 120 over do i have to tell you how long it took? that is about as technical as it needs to get.
basically what you two are showing is a total lack of self restaint and respect. because right now sure you both talk loud but aside from that what else is there. at least the old man there (with an agry tone in his writing) spoke some facts. what about you.
as for boring the engine how much more technical is there about boring the engine out. it was bored 120 over do i have to tell you how long it took? that is about as technical as it needs to get.
Well let them know you can also put a carb on an ls1 type motor, maybe it will make them feel better.
11-07-2006, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanJohnson
if i have offended you with my attitude, then i am sorry. i'm 22; i'm not loud, i am just a perfectionist at what i do, but all i was trying to do was correct you on what you had originally posted talking about the gen 1 sbc and bbc, saying they couldnt be bored as much as your 5.3L LS1 and hold together. like i said before, i didnt say that you didnt bore your engine .120" over. so please understand that i am not calling you a liar on your 5.3L iron block that is bored .120" over.
i have only worked on 4 bbcs so far nothing done to them too exotic, and i have one right now bored 60 over. Classic small blocks are relativily easy but the bbc do present a challegen when trying to get a target compression ratio which is why i think they are alittle more difficult. this one project is a 440 (454 block bored with a 3.766 crank). got everything for it except pistons.
11-08-2006, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by LSXNV
you guys trashing on the "old school" engines is about as bad as "old school" guys trashing on you. don't be so narrow to think that the old engine cannot be efficient AND powerfull. while pullin mid 12's with my TAME 455 i was getting 15mpg.
Ummm getting 15mpg running running 12's isn't what I'd call good.
11-08-2006, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by cvman
It was good for it's time, especially with no overdrive. 
11-08-2006, 10:37 PM
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Before I took my 68 camaro apart it had a 350 sbc that i thought was pretty fast. It had a cam, headers, 4 barrel, the whole 9 yards. After driving my buddy's 00 SS I was hooked. His stock car spanked my 68's ***. Therefore when I rebuild the 68 it will definetly have a LS motor in it. Then I get the best of both worlds.
11-10-2006, 07:51 PM
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Someone mentioned the article in CHP this month, which I got around to reading last night. They both made the same HP and cost the same. The "old school" ,however, had CNC ported Dart heads (vs as cast Darts), and a CNC ported prototype intake (both Edelbrock carb intakes). It also had a cam that made 6.5 in. of vacuum vs the LSx's 10 in. The cam used in the LS2 was a comp 281 (XER lobe I think). They said the old school was not streetable at all. I understand them showing what it takes to make two different engines with similar numbers, but why not go further and show what the Gen IV would have done with better heads and a more agressive cam.
11-13-2006, 02:08 PM
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They don't like what they don't understand.
As good as the SBC is, the design of the Gen III / IV engines trump the SBC in just about every aspect - just take one apart and see for yourself. As someone else said, the Gen III took all the weaknesses of the SBC and made them stronger.
To say that the LS1 is superior to the SBC is a HUGE compliment to the LS1.
11-13-2006, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bad2000z
LS1's were bad *** right from the assembly line. SBC's were 
in comparison.
in comparison.
The SBC was the best engine of it's day, and it had a very long reign. So it's not the best Chevy engine anymore, that's a fact, but saying it's gay is uncalled for sir! I challenge you to a duel, you take the unloaded pistol...........
11-14-2006, 02:02 AM
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While i tend to agree the LS1 is an improvement over the SBC, I do not feel it is all that. Also, not everything on the LS1 is an improvement... Non adjustable valvetrain strikes me as the most obvious one. Some people like to flaunt the 6 bolt mains, the old Hemi's had those, some like the aluminum blocks, those have been around for years as well, the improved valve angle which allows better flow is nothing new either, it was just not used in production before. Speaking of old school, how about that TPI GMHTP did not too long ago. .030 350, cast iron vortec heads, different intake, etc. and made like 417 hp and 486 ft/lbs. granted this was at the flywheel, but still not too shabby. Honestly i do not subscribe tyo the mag so I do not know exactly what was involved in the build up, but the conclusion was very impressive.
11-14-2006, 01:56 PM
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Ok im a regular sbc guy myself but thats not to say I dont like the ls1 its a fantastic engine but for what I have into my car I'm still several thousand below what it it would have cost me to buy a nice ls1 not too mention I hate how an ls1 car is like a high performance lego set you buy x parts and go y fast you buy z parts and go yy fast
Prime example I have a friend who got outta his 5.0 and into a ws6 my car as it sits I have about half in it then he paid for his car it came with headers exhaust subframes and big assed nittos and cut a high 12 but that wasent good enough so he opend up the check book and sent it to speed inc like a lame *** and bought whatever they told him too
its a pretty big cop out to have your car sent out an built just my opinion I take pride in knowing that I did everything on my car and am responsible if its fucked up or could have been better if I had done my homework better not that I did whatever sombody else tells me I need to do
Prime example I have a friend who got outta his 5.0 and into a ws6 my car as it sits I have about half in it then he paid for his car it came with headers exhaust subframes and big assed nittos and cut a high 12 but that wasent good enough so he opend up the check book and sent it to speed inc like a lame *** and bought whatever they told him too
its a pretty big cop out to have your car sent out an built just my opinion I take pride in knowing that I did everything on my car and am responsible if its fucked up or could have been better if I had done my homework better not that I did whatever sombody else tells me I need to do
11-14-2006, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Formula350sd
Ok im a regular sbc guy myself but thats not to say I dont like the ls1 its a fantastic engine but for what I have into my car I'm still several thousand below what it it would have cost me to buy a nice ls1 not too mention I hate how an ls1 car is like a high performance lego set you buy x parts and go y fast you buy z parts and go yy fast
Prime example I have a friend who got outta his 5.0 and into a ws6 my car as it sits I have about half in it then he paid for his car it came with headers exhaust subframes and big assed nittos and cut a high 12 but that wasent good enough so he opend up the check book and sent it to speed inc like a lame *** and bought whatever they told him too
its a pretty big cop out to have your car sent out an built just my opinion I take pride in knowing that I did everything on my car and am responsible if its fucked up or could have been better if I had done my homework better not that I did whatever sombody else tells me I need to do
Prime example I have a friend who got outta his 5.0 and into a ws6 my car as it sits I have about half in it then he paid for his car it came with headers exhaust subframes and big assed nittos and cut a high 12 but that wasent good enough so he opend up the check book and sent it to speed inc like a lame *** and bought whatever they told him too
its a pretty big cop out to have your car sent out an built just my opinion I take pride in knowing that I did everything on my car and am responsible if its fucked up or could have been better if I had done my homework better not that I did whatever sombody else tells me I need to do
i mean, the LS1 is easier to work on then the SBC... for example, in a cam swap, theres no dropping the pan. no distrib timing, no need to pull the intake, no gasketmaker involved (maybe 2 dabs if you want, but its not required), you can potentally reuse every gasket.. its as simple as it gets.
i tossed in a stock LS1 drivetrain for under 4,000 and got a 6spd trans, 32+mpg, and cut a 8.2 thru the stock z28 muffler..
just getting the trans under your car would be half that cost... what part of the LS1 costs more? our ported heads are half the cost of your AFRs..... if you want to go cheap GM stock vs stock, your "vortec" heads are right where our L92s are.. both are a great value straight from GM, and both require a unique intake... only the L92 stuff flows better.
really, it all comes down to what you know, and what your goals are.... but it still bugs me that people claim the LS1 costs more. i know its only because they dont realise the real value into it... but none the less, its annoying.