ARE has new head offering :)
12-13-2001, 10:22 AM
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ARE has new head offering :) From Mikey at Rapid Motorsports:
ARE is now offering street / strip heads. They are less expensive than the stage I heads, use stock valves, 26918 Comp. springs, and still maintain ARE's porting quality. These heads are perfect for single pattern cams up to 224 degrees duration. Heads and cam packages are also available. I believe pricing on these heads are 1100 bucks* <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
*does not unclude core charge
You can get in contact with Mikey or call ARE direct at 905.420.9195 for more information.
Cheers,
Chris
ARE is now offering street / strip heads. They are less expensive than the stage I heads, use stock valves, 26918 Comp. springs, and still maintain ARE's porting quality. These heads are perfect for single pattern cams up to 224 degrees duration. Heads and cam packages are also available. I believe pricing on these heads are 1100 bucks* <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
*does not unclude core charge
You can get in contact with Mikey or call ARE direct at 905.420.9195 for more information.
Cheers,
Chris
12-13-2001, 11:57 AM
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Re: ARE has new head offering :) Didn't JS have great success with a set of mildly ported stock-valved heads? Those sound like a great lower priced option for those not wanting to go "all out."
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Re: ARE has new head offering :) [quote]Originally posted by Ragtop 99:
<strong>ChrisB: I think Mikey's point is if you're willing to go really big on the cam, then go for the maximum set-up (i.e. S2). Balance your objectives. Most S1 head purchasers are not looking for every last ounce of power, but are accepting a compromise of price and drivabilty with expectations of getting most, but not the maximum possible, from the engine. </strong><hr></blockquote>
I see what he was saying, though I still don't agree with the statement <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> . It pre-supposes that money isn't a primary concern. It doesn't cost any more to go with a 23x as opposed to a 21x camshaft. Really it's trading drivability for power - and in that respect, you are right, it just depends on what your goals are.
I was just pointing out that stock/small heads don't just "fit" with a stock/small cam. If anything I would rather have S2 heads and a small cam - the same power + more drivability - hey, it's only money!
Anyway, not trying to crap out the thred, looks like a very interesting pricing point - I know there are a few poeople out there who don't want to spent/cant afford the S1 pricing - this might provide them with some alternatives! I look forward to seeing some results.
Chris
<strong>ChrisB: I think Mikey's point is if you're willing to go really big on the cam, then go for the maximum set-up (i.e. S2). Balance your objectives. Most S1 head purchasers are not looking for every last ounce of power, but are accepting a compromise of price and drivabilty with expectations of getting most, but not the maximum possible, from the engine. </strong><hr></blockquote>
I see what he was saying, though I still don't agree with the statement <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> . It pre-supposes that money isn't a primary concern. It doesn't cost any more to go with a 23x as opposed to a 21x camshaft. Really it's trading drivability for power - and in that respect, you are right, it just depends on what your goals are.
I was just pointing out that stock/small heads don't just "fit" with a stock/small cam. If anything I would rather have S2 heads and a small cam - the same power + more drivability - hey, it's only money!
Anyway, not trying to crap out the thred, looks like a very interesting pricing point - I know there are a few poeople out there who don't want to spent/cant afford the S1 pricing - this might provide them with some alternatives! I look forward to seeing some results.
Chris
12-13-2001, 01:24 PM
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Re: ARE has new head offering :) Chris I have a question for you.
What cam would you recommend with a S 1 head with 2.02 1.57 valves and around 285 CFM at 550 lift?
One for an A4 that would pass emissions and work on stock programming (With TB drilling and IAC adjustment) but give great power in the 4500-6600rpm range?
Thanks,
Chris
What cam would you recommend with a S 1 head with 2.02 1.57 valves and around 285 CFM at 550 lift?
One for an A4 that would pass emissions and work on stock programming (With TB drilling and IAC adjustment) but give great power in the 4500-6600rpm range?
Thanks,
Chris
12-13-2001, 02:58 PM
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Re: ARE has new head offering :) anyone got any flow numbers on these. cause i was thinking of getting musclecar technologies S2 heads they flow 296cfm at .600 , really just looking for somthing to work well with my hotcam.
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Re: ARE has new head offering :) [quote]Originally posted by Chris ARE 360:
<strong>Chris I have a question for you.
What cam would you recommend with a S 1 head with 2.02 1.57 valves and around 285 CFM at 550 lift?
One for an A4 that would pass emissions and work on stock programming (With TB drilling and IAC adjustment) but give great power in the 4500-6600rpm range?
Thanks,
Chris</strong><hr></blockquote>
Do you have a flowsheet for the entire head? Anyone else we know running them? You can email me @ chris@slowcar.net or post here.
Chris
<strong>Chris I have a question for you.
What cam would you recommend with a S 1 head with 2.02 1.57 valves and around 285 CFM at 550 lift?
One for an A4 that would pass emissions and work on stock programming (With TB drilling and IAC adjustment) but give great power in the 4500-6600rpm range?
Thanks,
Chris</strong><hr></blockquote>
Do you have a flowsheet for the entire head? Anyone else we know running them? You can email me @ chris@slowcar.net or post here.
Chris
12-13-2001, 05:26 PM
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Re: ARE has new head offering :) Just to add a little more info, Nick is porting a set of these street/strip heads for us right now. Nick (and LS1 Motorsports) is also offering a "budget high performance rebuild assembly", which we will be doing at the same time as the heads on our '97 C5.
The buildup will consist of heads with fairly mild port work, a custom grind Lunati cam, Ross forged pistons, ARP rod bolts, and Childs & Albert rings. The block is being machined as we speak, and the heads should be ready within the next 2 weeks. We hope to have the new engine installed by mid-January.
We'll be sure to post the results.
I don't have final pricing from Nick on the Complete Longblock package, but perhaps Nick can chime in here with it?
The buildup will consist of heads with fairly mild port work, a custom grind Lunati cam, Ross forged pistons, ARP rod bolts, and Childs & Albert rings. The block is being machined as we speak, and the heads should be ready within the next 2 weeks. We hope to have the new engine installed by mid-January.
We'll be sure to post the results.
I don't have final pricing from Nick on the Complete Longblock package, but perhaps Nick can chime in here with it?
12-13-2001, 05:32 PM
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Re: ARE has new head offering :) Nick actually posted about their Street/Strip head over on that other board a few months ago.
I was at ARE 5 weeks ago for a new baseline dyno. Nick was there and we got to talking about the Street/Strip package for awhile.
Assuming I can find a few extra dollars floating around after Xmas, I'll probably get a set with a cam to match. They seem to fit more into my budget and needs then the more expensive SI or SII heads.
I was at ARE 5 weeks ago for a new baseline dyno. Nick was there and we got to talking about the Street/Strip package for awhile.
Assuming I can find a few extra dollars floating around after Xmas, I'll probably get a set with a cam to match. They seem to fit more into my budget and needs then the more expensive SI or SII heads.
12-13-2001, 10:11 PM
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Re: ARE has new head offering :) Do they need a test car!!!!???!!! I can donate mine!! <img src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" />
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Re: ARE has new head offering :) [quote]Originally posted by Rob Raymer:
<strong>The buildup will consist of heads with fairly mild port work, a custom grind Lunati cam, Ross forged pistons, ARP rod bolts, and Childs & Albert rings. The block is being machined as we speak, and the heads should be ready within the next 2 weeks. We hope to have the new engine installed by mid-January.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Stock rods? Stock vavles or stock sized valves?
<strong>The buildup will consist of heads with fairly mild port work, a custom grind Lunati cam, Ross forged pistons, ARP rod bolts, and Childs & Albert rings. The block is being machined as we speak, and the heads should be ready within the next 2 weeks. We hope to have the new engine installed by mid-January.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Stock rods? Stock vavles or stock sized valves?
12-14-2001, 12:01 AM
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Re: ARE has new head offering :) [quote]Originally posted by Chris ARE 360:
<strong> These heads are perfect for single pattern cams up to 224 degrees duration.Chris</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not picking on you, just curious why they are only suggested for heads up to 224 duration? I would think that a head that didn't flow as much (e.g. stage I vs. stage II, etc.) would actually need more duration to try and make equivalent power - that's why you went to a better ported head; you can make more power with a smaller cam (better meaning not hogged out, etc.).
Chris Bennight
<strong> These heads are perfect for single pattern cams up to 224 degrees duration.Chris</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not picking on you, just curious why they are only suggested for heads up to 224 duration? I would think that a head that didn't flow as much (e.g. stage I vs. stage II, etc.) would actually need more duration to try and make equivalent power - that's why you went to a better ported head; you can make more power with a smaller cam (better meaning not hogged out, etc.).
Chris Bennight
12-14-2001, 12:13 AM
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Re: ARE has new head offering :) I am just passing on the information <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
I didnt write it <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
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I didnt write it <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
Thanks,
Chris
12-14-2001, 12:41 AM
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Re: ARE has new head offering :) George: JS had stock valve size, but Joe would probably disagree that the port job was mildly ported rather than fully ported and matched to JS's 216 cam.
ChrisB: I think Mikey's point is if you're willing to go really big on the cam, then go for the maximum set-up (i.e. S2). Balance your objectives. Most S1 head purchasers are not looking for every last ounce of power, but are accepting a compromise of price and drivabilty with expectations of getting most, but not the maximum possible, from the engine.
Mikey: Got any flow #s?
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ChrisB: I think Mikey's point is if you're willing to go really big on the cam, then go for the maximum set-up (i.e. S2). Balance your objectives. Most S1 head purchasers are not looking for every last ounce of power, but are accepting a compromise of price and drivabilty with expectations of getting most, but not the maximum possible, from the engine.
Mikey: Got any flow #s?
[ December 13, 2001: Message edited by: Ragtop 99 ]</p>