ALL BORE vs ALLSTROKE
ALL BORE vs ALLSTROKE What is the best? Street/ Strip? Drivability? hp/trq? Just wanting to know. combination of the two. Info plez would be A BIG HELP! thanks,
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Re: ALL BORE vs ALLSTROKE Well, all bore is cheaper. However, a stroker from Lunati has forged crank, rods, and pistons. So, I’d say a stroker should be more durable. As far as power goes, most guys will say all bore is better. I say not really, there have not been many strokers because they are more expensive. If there is deference in power it will be very minimal (both should be around 440-460 rwhp depending on the setup). This is just my opinion anyway!
Also, I like the stroker more because I am building one <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0"> And as soon as its ready, I will post the dyno sheet.
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Also, I like the stroker more because I am building one <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0"> And as soon as its ready, I will post the dyno sheet.
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Re: ALL BORE vs ALLSTROKE Seems Like the srtoker would be better. i.e. the old 383's. built a many of those. bad ***. went all kinda ways but the longer stroked 1 did the best for longevtivity. But thats old. this is new!
new designs, new inprovements. You never know. <img src="images/icons/confused.gif" border="0">
new designs, new inprovements. You never know. <img src="images/icons/confused.gif" border="0">
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Re: ALL BORE vs ALLSTROKE [quote]Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong>It's called a search feature, read about it.
BTW what is the best sounding exhaust? Will I need PCM work with my new cam?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thierry what are you such an ******* for??? If you have nothing to add why don't you just shut the hell up.... urgh I'm sick of your crap.
<strong>It's called a search feature, read about it.
BTW what is the best sounding exhaust? Will I need PCM work with my new cam?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thierry what are you such an ******* for??? If you have nothing to add why don't you just shut the hell up.... urgh I'm sick of your crap.
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Re: ALL BORE vs ALLSTROKE Terry, that was uncalled for. We actually WANT to help people on this site, not redirect them and get pissed off like on another LS1 site and tell them to use the search feature.
Lets keep the comparison simple. With an All-Bore you are still using the stock crank. With the stroker 382ci, you are getting a nice forged crank. The All-Bore tends to make a little more power because the opened up head chambers unshroud the valves, and you can use larger diameter valves as well. So, the heads always flow better than heads with a stock chamber size. The all-bore will also cost about $2000 less when all is said and done. This is due to the price of the forged crank, minus the cost of the sleeves and machining of an all-bore.
If you want to stay under 600 rwhp (engine plus poweradders and such), go with an all-bore. I wouldn't trust a stock crank beyond that rwhp. That is how you should decide.
Tony
Lets keep the comparison simple. With an All-Bore you are still using the stock crank. With the stroker 382ci, you are getting a nice forged crank. The All-Bore tends to make a little more power because the opened up head chambers unshroud the valves, and you can use larger diameter valves as well. So, the heads always flow better than heads with a stock chamber size. The all-bore will also cost about $2000 less when all is said and done. This is due to the price of the forged crank, minus the cost of the sleeves and machining of an all-bore.
If you want to stay under 600 rwhp (engine plus poweradders and such), go with an all-bore. I wouldn't trust a stock crank beyond that rwhp. That is how you should decide.
Tony
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Re: ALL BORE vs ALLSTROKE What about the street manners of each. Does it take the longer stroke motor more time to "Spool up". Like the difference in throttle reaction between a small displacement V6 and a large displacement v8. Blip the throttle on my 3.1 and watch the tach fly to 3500, blip the throttle on my 5.7 and the tach goes to like 1500. Is this because of the long stroke?? Maybe dumb question
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-Nick
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-Nick
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Re: ALL BORE vs ALLSTROKE [quote]Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong>It's called a search feature, read about it.
BTW what is the best sounding exhaust? Will I need PCM work with my new cam?</strong><hr></blockquote>
This remark comes from a person with the same name as the Berger SS ...the BIGGEST ripoff car ever to be made....extra thousands so you can have 50 hp from exhaust and a LID.....WOW.....hey terry, i bet you havent sold that crap as lt1 car of yours for 7500 yet...JUST like i told you.....please dont come back with a quip comeback....ill just tell you to grab one of your 11 sec f bodys and grab a lane.....even your 10 sec f bodys......cuz you dont know how to build ****.....
anyways
to the question at hand....
stroker motors are pretty durable i would have to say.....they run some decent runs....for you to compare youd have to see some numbers from a bore motor.....and no one has any posted....
<strong>It's called a search feature, read about it.
BTW what is the best sounding exhaust? Will I need PCM work with my new cam?</strong><hr></blockquote>
This remark comes from a person with the same name as the Berger SS ...the BIGGEST ripoff car ever to be made....extra thousands so you can have 50 hp from exhaust and a LID.....WOW.....hey terry, i bet you havent sold that crap as lt1 car of yours for 7500 yet...JUST like i told you.....please dont come back with a quip comeback....ill just tell you to grab one of your 11 sec f bodys and grab a lane.....even your 10 sec f bodys......cuz you dont know how to build ****.....
anyways
to the question at hand....
stroker motors are pretty durable i would have to say.....they run some decent runs....for you to compare youd have to see some numbers from a bore motor.....and no one has any posted....
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Re: ALL BORE vs ALLSTROKE [QUOTE]Originally posted by Nine Ball:
[QB]Terry, that was uncalled for. We actually WANT to help people on this site, not redirect them and get pissed off like on another LS1 site and tell them to use the search feature.
Lets keep the comparison simple. With an All-Bore you are still using the stock crank. With the stroker 382ci, you are getting a nice forged crank. The All-Bore tends to make a little more power because the opened up head chambers unshroud the valves, and you can use larger diameter valves as well. So, the heads always flow better than heads with a stock chamber size. The all-bore will also cost about $2000 less when all is said and done. This is due to the price of the forged crank, minus the cost of the sleeves and machining of an all-bore.
If you want to stay under 600 rwhp (engine plus poweradders and such), go with an all-bore. I wouldn't trust a stock crank beyond that rwhp. That is how you should decide.
Tony
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Would a 388 bored and stroked give you a little of the best of both worlds. Like the MMS 388?
Would I get more power and better manners than just a 382 all-bore?
[QB]Terry, that was uncalled for. We actually WANT to help people on this site, not redirect them and get pissed off like on another LS1 site and tell them to use the search feature.
Lets keep the comparison simple. With an All-Bore you are still using the stock crank. With the stroker 382ci, you are getting a nice forged crank. The All-Bore tends to make a little more power because the opened up head chambers unshroud the valves, and you can use larger diameter valves as well. So, the heads always flow better than heads with a stock chamber size. The all-bore will also cost about $2000 less when all is said and done. This is due to the price of the forged crank, minus the cost of the sleeves and machining of an all-bore.
If you want to stay under 600 rwhp (engine plus poweradders and such), go with an all-bore. I wouldn't trust a stock crank beyond that rwhp. That is how you should decide.
Tony
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Would a 388 bored and stroked give you a little of the best of both worlds. Like the MMS 388?
Would I get more power and better manners than just a 382 all-bore?
Re: ALL BORE vs ALLSTROKE Is it just me or does Terry Burger just start trouble and is a Tremendous *******?
I hate to post this but I'm getting so sick
and tired of him arguing with everyone. <img src="graemlins/gr_punch.gif" border="0" alt="[fight]" />
Give it a rest,will ya?
I hate to post this but I'm getting so sick
and tired of him arguing with everyone. <img src="graemlins/gr_punch.gif" border="0" alt="[fight]" />
Give it a rest,will ya?
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Re: ALL BORE vs ALLSTROKE All bore versus all stroke is begging a different question - increased displacement. The point of either setup is to increase displacement, so the best approach would be to do both if the money permits. Otherwise, it is one set of tradeoffs for another. Moreover, some of the various tradeoffs may or may not apply to the LS1 family (e.g., a forged crank is not really needed for less than 600 RWHP). In general, people seem to be doing a bit better with the all bore setups based on what I have seen posted, but some will contest this.
I could list the tradeoffs (increased friction from sidewall loading in strokers, increased detonation risk in all bores, etc.), but they have already been addressed well above.
I could list the tradeoffs (increased friction from sidewall loading in strokers, increased detonation risk in all bores, etc.), but they have already been addressed well above.
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Re: ALL BORE vs ALLSTROKE [quote]Originally posted by 01-Z:
<strong>Is it just me or does Terry Burger just start trouble and is a Tremendous *******?
I hate to post this but I'm getting so sick
and tired of him arguing with everyone. <img src="graemlins/gr_punch.gif" border="0" alt="[fight]" />
Give it a rest,will ya?</strong><hr></blockquote>
terry burger...or Booger....as i like to call him....has some frustration over having a crawling car.....its not your fault or MY fault....its his fault.....
<img src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" border="0" alt="[devil]" />
<strong>Is it just me or does Terry Burger just start trouble and is a Tremendous *******?
I hate to post this but I'm getting so sick
and tired of him arguing with everyone. <img src="graemlins/gr_punch.gif" border="0" alt="[fight]" />
Give it a rest,will ya?</strong><hr></blockquote>
terry burger...or Booger....as i like to call him....has some frustration over having a crawling car.....its not your fault or MY fault....its his fault.....
<img src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" border="0" alt="[devil]" />