SS 2Grand

What do you think of this cam? My mods are in the sig. I'm really looking for help from a 35-45mph punch and I'm hoping this cam will help. This is intended for street use, not track. Also, I'm trying to avoid the idle problems, dieing, surging, etc. if possible. I'm willing to sacrifice some power for driveability.

Thanks in advance.

<small>[ April 12, 2002, 10:12 AM: Message edited by: SS 2Grand ]</small>

AgaveCorvette

that sounds like an excellent cam for what you want.

SS 2Grand

Any ideas on what type of hp gains I'd be looking at? I don't have a baseline yet.

Slowhawk

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Here is the info I got from Thunder Racing for a 220/220 .561 lift 114 duration.(It's close)

A gain of 20-40rwhp depending on other mods ie;headers,pulley's ect.

Excellent drivability and Idle qualities.Power range of 1500-6000rpm with a broad torque spreed.

I'll be installing this as soon as it comes in.
Thunders GP is still going on if your looking for a deal.

May Spin

A lot of people are having great gains with that little cam.

I believe Reboot is using a MMS cam with those specs, with similar mods as you (using macs) plus pullies and is in the 360's rwhp and 370's rwtq, with stock heads on a A4. Making power up to 6500rpm.

Scott. 00 WS6 M6.

ishot2pac

I just put (last weekend) the MMS 218 cam and ASP pulleys on my car. (218/218 .561 114 LSA) I am looking to get it on the dyno soon. I notice an immedate improvement in throttle response and it jumps up to redline really fast. I seems to wake up around 2000-2500rpm. It's idle is nearly stock sounding and being such a small cam and because i have an M6 i didn't need to mess with the idle at all. I do however need to get a HPP3 and raise the rev limiter soon. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Tom99SS

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I had my car dyno tuned by BV Performance with this cam in (work done by Speed Inc. and dyno tuned there). If you notice in my sig I do not have headers. Stock exhaust manifolds and stock cats/y-pipe. I dynoed 331.4 rwhp. With headers (which I will get as sone as the warranty is done, the cam is not noticable) I imagine I will pick up another 20 - 30 rwhp. This cam loves to rev. to 6500. I shift at 6600 rpms.

Here is the dyno:

Dyno

Can't wait to track test it. By the way, the first dyno run was after the first tune, we gained 5 rwhp by adjusting the timing. A/F tables look good.

- Tom
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

flyin red TA

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SS 2Grand:
<strong>What do you think of this cam? My mods are in the sig. I'm really looking for help from a 35-45mph punch and I'm hoping this cam will help. This is intended for street use, not track. Also, I'm trying to avoid the idle problems, dieing, surging, etc. if possible. I'm willing to sacrifice some power for driveability.

Thanks in advance.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have the same setup as you except I have macs with mac cats. That cam did 346 hp and 359 lb ft of torque in my 98 with a 100% stock maf, stock tuning, and a stock LS1 intake manifold. Also, it did over 340hp from 5100 all the way to my 6400 rpm limit.

You will have to drill the TB up a size or so and raise the idle with the set screw, but it's nothing major. I had some problems with the idle at first, but I was adjusting the idle back when it was 20 degrees outside. All I had to do to keep it alive was bring the rpms up to about 1500 for the first 10 seconds after starting the car. Now that its 50-60 degrees everyday, I can turn the car on and it never dies on me.

EDIT: Be sure to do plugs and wires at the same time, I went from 280hp on 6 cylinders to almost 350 with all 8. Ask Tom or Larry about it.

<small>[ April 13, 2002, 01:48 AM: Message edited by: JimTA ]</small>

AgaveCorvette

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SS 2Grand:
<strong>Thanks for the input.

Tom Izzo is recommending I go with the 222/222 563/563 114lsa instead. What are the differences between this and the 218/218 563/563 114lsa? Good & Bad? I really want to avoid the idleing problems, so I'm going to dyno tune it as well.

Any thoughts?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">well, the difference would be more duration, chief. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

SS 2Grand

That I know, but not being an expert on cams and how they work, I was looking for what the major differences would be between the two performance-wise and drivability-wise.

Slowhawk

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Ussualy longer duration means the hp and tq peak higher in the rpm and rev out more.Meaning you'll have more torque down low with the 218 and have higher hp #'s with the 222.

SS 2Grand

Cool, thanks.

So there would not be much hp difference between the two, it would just be moved up the curve instead of being down low? Any more difficulty dialing in the idle in an A4 with the 222 vs. the 218?

Ragtop 99

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The longer the duration, the more the tuning issues. The 218/218 is a very nice street cam. Good drivability and not too big a hit in mpg.

I had one before moving up to a 224/224

Pro Stock John

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I consider the 218 to be a good street cam that should work with stock programming.

I consider the 222 stuff to be more hard core.

SS 2Grand

Thanks for the input.

Tom Izzo is recommending I go with the 222/222 563/563 114lsa instead. What are the differences between this and the 218/218 563/563 114lsa? Good & Bad? I really want to avoid the idleing problems, so I'm going to dyno tune it as well.

Any thoughts?