Kenny H

Is it worth it for me to go from a T1 to the Thunder 224 that everyone raves about?

I assume I can use the same Comp 918 springs and titanium retainers I have now. Would I see a bit more power with the 224 with stock heads and a Yank 4200? What cam is better for nitrous?

jmX

That swap isnt going to be worth your time IMO. I'd guess 2hp tops difference.

Damian

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I think it could be worth it. The TR cams have much faster ramps than the T1's, and they also have a MUCH tamer idle. I have heard both cams idle, and the TR cam is almost impossible to hear unless you have wide open exhaust. The T1 is pretty lumpy...

Jason99TA has also ran 121 mph with stock heads and a TR 224 cam, I haven't seen anyone run that good with a T1 yet...

Josh

VINCE

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C'mon.. My old cam was real quiet. You cant use Jason as an example. How many people with T1's have Jason's rear gears.. Personally the TR224 is a nice cam, but for the minimal gains you will receive from the swap.. I personally would go with something bigger in the Thunder Racing line. Like the TR227/224 lsa 111 or something.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> Or really go bigger.. TR238/232 lsa 108... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" /> You would be Da Man.. My point is with the right tuning the T1 cam could net similar gains as the TR224. If you are going to do a upgrade, I would go beyond the TR224 and get what Jason is currently running..

XtraCajunSS

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I agree, for it to be worth the time and effort, go for the 230/224... Then get some gears... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

"Gears will make a man out of a boy any day..."

In this case it would be more of a "horse out of a man" but you get my drift.

Shane

QUASAR

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Damian:
I have heard both cams idle, and the TR cam is almost impossible to hear unless you have wide open exhaust. The T1 is pretty lumpy...

</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Is this the 112 or 114lsa TR cam you are refferring to that is hard to hear? What about with longtubes and no cats, could you still not here the lope?

Damian

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RED QUASAR:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Damian:
I have heard both cams idle, and the TR cam is almost impossible to hear unless you have wide open exhaust. The T1 is pretty lumpy...

</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Is this the 112 or 114lsa TR cam you are refferring to that is hard to hear? What about with longtubes and no cats, could you still not here the lope?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I heard a 112 lsa TR cam through Mac headers, no cats, and flowmaster exhaust. I couldn't even tell there was a cam in there until I paid close attention..

Josh

JS

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Get a good set of Heads instead.Sometimes u can get a deal on used heads.I've sen them for 1000 to 1500 complete.Alot of guys r going to the X package and need to sell their old S2's that Julio/Cartek did for them over a year ago.Bet u could get a DEAL on a used set.

In the end spend the money on heads.
30RWHP is waitng for u ken.

JS

QUASAR

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Interesting Damian, thanks. I'll have to find a sound clip somewhere. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Sears

Here is the sound clip of my car, 224 thunder cam
on a 112lsa, longtubes, no cats, open y-pipe.

http://personal.atl.bellsouth.net/ms...thunder224.wav

Jusitn

black00WS6

I have a T1 cam and put down about 390 to the wheels, and almost trapped 115 mph. I have mac headers, ORY, and a borla and its lopey as hell. I just sold it though for the new TR 230 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />

TrahnZam WS6

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Damian:
<strong>Jason99TA has also ran 121 mph with stock heads and a TR 224 cam, I haven't seen anyone run that good with a T1 yet...

Josh</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And the stock 2001 cam has gone 121 mph with 3.42s and stock heads in a 6-speed...

XtraCajunSS

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by TrahnZam WS6:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Damian:
<strong>Jason99TA has also ran 121 mph with stock heads and a TR 224 cam, I haven't seen anyone run that good with a T1 yet...

Josh</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And the stock 2001 cam has gone 121 mph with 3.42s and stock heads in a 6-speed...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What are you trying to say?

Shane

Damian

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And the stock 2001 cam has gone 121 mph with 3.42s and stock heads in a 6-speed... </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am not referring to gutted cars that don't even have a radio to listen to...

Terry Burger

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Put a radio in, I bet it still runs 121mph. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

99taws6

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Well the TR 224 is working for me... I continue to get faster with it each time out at the track. Right now I am at 12.7@113mph This is with a 2.0 60ft and no tuning as of now...

The cam is almost impossible to hear. I am running the setup that Damian was referring to. With a cutout, I think you would be able to hear it, but not the lope that the T1 has....

TrahnZam WS6

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Damian:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And the stock 2001 cam has gone 121 mph with 3.42s and stock heads in a 6-speed... </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am not referring to gutted cars that don't even have a radio to listen to...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The car was far from gutted. Hell mine weighs only ~100 lbs more than his did when it was in race trim, and I still have two seats, full carpet, radio, pimp 17X11 rims etc <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> My point is its not a fair comparison at all. I think the TR224 is a better cam than the T1 for the record, but until someone with a very similar setup to Jason but with a T1 runs at the track...

VINCE

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Lope.. Where are you guys getting lope.. My co-worker has the TR224 and his car sounds just like my old setup.. Plus I ran a 12.28 at 116mph with my T1 cam on DR's/3.42's/2.0 60ft/3750lbs race weight.. With the mods I have in my sig.. What is your point...?

Damian

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The car was far from gutted</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If I do remember correctly, that guy's car weighed 3200 lbs with him in it. You have to take a bunch of **** out of an f-body to get it that light, with a driver...

Don't get me wrong, I am not putting down the T1 cam. Both are good cams and many people have ran good with a T1, but I do think the swap would be worth it. I have personally installed 2 T1 cams, I know how it lopes and I know how they perform on average. The Thunder cam is a better idling cam that offers more power, most of it in the high rpm range. The T1 will usually fall off around 6500 or so, as where the TR 224 keeps on pulling all the way to 6800. I think the swap would be worth it. Just my honest opinion from experience...No pun intended towards anyone or their setup.

Josh

XtraCajunSS

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Damian:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The car was far from gutted</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If I do remember correctly, that guy's car weighed 3200 lbs with him in it. You have to take a bunch of **** out of an f-body to get it that light, with a driver...

Don't get me wrong, I am not putting down the T1 cam. Both are good cams and many people have ran good with a T1, but I do think the swap would be worth it. I have personally installed 2 T1 cams, I know how it lopes and I know how they perform on average. The Thunder cam is a better idling cam that offers more power, most of it in the high rpm range. The T1 will usually fall off around 6500 or so, as where the TR 224 keeps on pulling all the way to 6800. I think the swap would be worth it. Just my honest opinion from experience...No pun intended towards anyone or their setup.

Josh</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That is not the case. He has the stock leather power drivers seat, radio w/ all speakers, A/C, power windows, power locks, power steering, T-tops, and factory battery. Jason's car had 4.30 gears with ET Drags and pulled a 1.71 60ft. That is far from gutted in my opinion. I figure you have him confused with someone else.

He did have the "Skeletor Mod" though...

Shane