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Jun 1, 2002 | 12:17 AM

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The horsepower numbers have been proven independently. And if you race for less than a quarter mile you won't get up to the same mile an hour, kind of like when you walk a car out of the whole(1.9x-2.0x 60ft).
<hr /></blockquote>It's now clear to me that you haven't raced much. That is completely untrue. <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" />

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Jun 1, 2002 | 12:18 AM

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Re: Cartek "Z" package...Part 3

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> How much vacuum does your lawn mower pull at idle?<hr /></blockquote>Depends on how hard the tuner in Cali is SUCKING.

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> It's funny how you accuse me of running 5.13 gears yet JS here has (absurd) 4.56 gears. You accuse me of running (absurd) 13:1 compression yet you won't tell us what compression your "z" package is at. Maybe you know a few things we don't?
<hr /></blockquote>Difference here is that JS is an honest person.

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> RE: JS's car. His car has never run 6.95 in the 1/8th mile. His cars best 1/8th mile is in the 7.05 range and that was with an almost 1700' better DA and a better 60' time! Same track same day I'll blow his doors off. He knows it too, you can tell from the tone of his posts. <hr /></blockquote>JS is still heavier and faster in the quarter. Wheren't you moving to the east coast? Why don't you swing by and line them up.

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Jun 1, 2002 | 12:29 AM

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Depends on how hard the tuner in Cali is SUCKING.
<hr /></blockquote>Kinda like how JS cyber blew your dad for a good deal on those LS6 heads?

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Difference here is that JS is an honest person.
<hr /></blockquote>It's funny how you claimed this 460rwhp guy had a stock short block. Now he claims it can hold a 300 shot of juice? Sounds like a stroker motor to me. No wonder you didn't want to post any details, lol...

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JS is still heavier and faster in the quarter. Wheren't you moving to the east coast? Why don't you swing by and line them up.
<hr /></blockquote>First I have no idea what JS's weight is. He's lied about stuff before so for all I know he comes in at 3400# raceweight just like me. I know he has taken a lot of weight off that car. Without driver he must be lighter than my 3200# weight, since he has MORE removed (no exhaust, no AC, no seats, etc). Cartek Dave comes in at what 200#? I come in at ~200# too. JS's car has to have been lighter than mine. It's not like all is equal either. I'm running off the shelf very budget LS1 parts, while JS is running top of the line Cartek "experimental" race package with LS6 heads and a port matched intake. What's really sad is that JS ran 11.3 with his ultra budget JPR LS1 package.

Pretty sure I'd take that setup for $2000 over the LS6 Cartek package for $5000+ any day. My setup was $2200 from MMS with cam. Maybe I'll take the $3000 I saved and build a stroker motor like my00C5.

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Jun 1, 2002 | 01:07 AM

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Terry a monkey can drive an automatic down the strip. Try making your car a 6 speed and see how you drive it. 14???'s 15's?????
<hr /></blockquote>My '93 Z28 juice 6spd ran 10.81@129, it was really easy to drive. Used to get air in 2nd gear too. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> My 2000 C5 6spd ran 11.3@119, my '93 Formula 6spd 11.8@123 (leaving soft), my '94 Z28 6spd ran 11.8@118, and my '98 Z28 11.0@123 (oh wait that wasn't a 6spd). I've had plenty of each and I don't think the 6spd is much harder at the strip.

Jun 1, 2002 | 01:10 AM

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Terry the c5 that ran the 11.07 was on drag radials. If this guy put on ET streets the car will be 10 second ride. Hes trying to set a record of running in the 10's on a drag radial with a c5 n/a.
<hr /></blockquote>a 1.5 60' time is a 1.5 60' time whether you have drag radials, runs flats, or ET streets. Running 10s on a drag radial just means you race at a good track.

Jun 1, 2002 | 01:21 AM

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No matter how many ways you package up ****, it's still ****.
<hr /></blockquote>That's the exact point I've been trying to get across to my00c5!

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Dave's. 10.90's. And he was nowhere as striped as you.
<hr /></blockquote>How about posting a time slip and some pictures of the car then? Be sure to put the AC, catback, and seats back in before taking those pictures now!

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As always, a bunch of BS.
Every car that gets a H/C package at cartek goes on the dyno. They know what they get compared to the last person. At cartek they always try to best the last results. They don't play the favorites game there. Maybe your used to a different game at Margon motorsports?
<hr /></blockquote>Once again you've completely missed the point, I dearly hope Julio is sharper than his offspring, for Cartek's sake. In fact I had forgotten you were related to Julio so I'll put this in words you can't misunderstand:

Cartek work hard make special tuner cars. Terry run same part all MMS customer run. Terry no have special tuner car.

Simple enough for you? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

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At cartek they always try to best the last results. They don't play the favorites game there.
<hr /></blockquote>So you just said it's Cartek's normal business policy to experiment with customers cars? If I were a customer that would leave a pretty bad taste in my mouth. You better hurry up and edit that post, that could be lawsuit material.

Jun 1, 2002 | 01:27 AM

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I gotta tell u this is getting to be rediculous.
The BS is flying all over the place.

Terry please stop making up lies about me and my car.I asked u nicely in the previous posts..U wanna kid me thats one thing but to make up lies is wrong.I said I would let my car do the talking from here on out.Cant u leave me outta of the insults for one post?I dont understand whats your fascination with me and my car?

Now u quoted this nonsense and I'd like to come clean and set the record straight with ALL LS1tech board members.

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> <hr /></blockquote>posted May 31, 2002 12:29 PM By Terry Burger
"First I have no idea what JS's weight is. He's lied about stuff before so for all I know he comes in at 3400# raceweight just like me. I know he has taken a lot of weight off that car. Without driver he must be lighter than my 3200# weight, since he has MORE removed (no exhaust, no AC, no seats, etc). Cartek Dave comes in at what 200#? I come in at ~200# too. JS's car has to have been lighter than mine. It's not like all is equal either. I'm running off the shelf very budget LS1 parts, while JS is running top of the line Cartek "experimental" race package with LS6 heads and a port matched intake. What's really sad is that JS ran 11.3 with his ultra budget JPR LS1 package"

Terry do u like making things up?Where do u get your info from Pal?I mean u obviously have some connection to someone close to me.Maybe this former friend and I had a parting of the ways and now he is feeding u absolute LIES,I dont know but there is very few truths to the nonsense and I'm gonna ask u like a man again,WHERE DO U GET THE BS AND LIES FROM?

Lets take a look at the first part of the BS u posted.I gotta tell u this is making me alittle angry Terry and I thought u would state at least som FACTS.

1.U say in your post that are cars are close to each other in weight,since I took out alot of stuff.But what u dont say is that u have a Camaro and I have a WS6.I think theres about a 100lb difference from car to car off the showroom floor.Or am i incorrect in that assumption?

2.Now u had a KMEMBER and A-ARMS for a while mounted in your car.I on the other hand had NO A/C which we both know it NOT as light as A-ARMS and a KMEMBER.

3.U have 2 RACE MAGNUMS and 2 pieces of pipe on your car VS my FULL SINGLE exhaust running to a cutout .By the way I never took
one pipe off my car.So I would say again your stuff is alittle lighter.

4.U have made up SEAT BRACKETS that r 9lbs lighter than my factory brackets and we BOTH run no PASS. Seat.So again u are alittle lighter there too.

5. What point are u trying to make if someone runs a S2 or a S3 or a S4.I run what I run,dont make excuses about your S2X 5.3 which are not exactly off the shelfs heads from MMS.Your buddy Mike worked VERY hard at developing his MMS S2X package and u make it sound like its as simple as 1,2,3.I'm bet MMS doesnt think his MMS X package is a plain old off the shelf setup.U make it sound like a 2 week old pizza.MMS worked hard on this setup and for u to insult them IMO is wrong.But thats Mikes problem not mine.

6.U run a EWP which u yourself said was worth .1?I have u saying that on record too buddy.

7.What parts are experimental on my car?
C5Pig drove a Vette with the same setup as me to a 11.07@125 on DR's Terry.Same goes for Brent,He went a 11.14@124+ too.So to say that CARTEKS stuff is SECRET MAGICAL stuff is BS.

8.U just wanna make people think u have alittle cam which we all know is BIGGER than mine and that U have 5.3 HEADS PORTED TO THE GILLS with MORE CR than MY LS6 heads and u have a lighter car.

These are FACT TERRY.And u know it.I will tell anyone want they wanna know but once u start making up lies about me I have to step in.

9.U are lying when u say are cars are the same wieght Terry.My car weighed at the time I raced it was 3243lbs.Then u add ME which was 355lbs.Thats 3598lbs when i ran 11.29 and 11.17.Dave also ran the car and it was 3443lbs and went a 11.14 at 122in -100 foot
of air.THIS IS FACT AND THIS IS THE TRUTH.

FWIW
I never said my setup wasnt alittle more rad then yours Terry since I run a '6' casting but other than that TERRY there VERY CLOSE AND U KNOW IT.

10.U keep making refrerences about my 4.56 gears.Well all my runs excpet one (MY 11.17) were made on ET STREETS AND 4.10's.The FACTS are I went ot a 4.56 and a 28in tire after the FIRST RUNS.I did the math and again u make it sound like its worth ALOT OF ET,But the FACT IS ITS ONLY 211RPM DIFFERENCE FROM A 26/4.10 COMBO and maybe 0001.So please Terry stop making **** up thats not factual.

U know that its the same darn thing.Why attack me and knock me like this if u know these things.Your a drag racer,U know how to calculate things.Umake yourself look STUPID to the people that know a 26/4.10 combo is as close to a 4.56/28 combo as mercury is to the sun.

9.Lastly u compaired my old JPR S1/224 CAM setup to my NEW CARTEK 22X setup and made a reference that I'm upset or that I didnt get the return I was expecting.Implying JOE's setup was GOLDEN and my new setup is ready for the trash heap.Well again u clouded the truth.

Lets look at FACTS as there much better in telling the truth.Joes setup with ME driving at a race weight of 3552 (Car was 46lbs lighter due to a 10bolt,Lighter headers,tq arm and rear tires.)AGAIN THIS IS FACT,something u forgot to mention.Now at the is 3552 lb weight the car BESTED A 11.43@117.4.Doesnt sound that much better than my 11.17@120.6 but its clearly a gain of 2.6 tenths and 3+ MPH which for the 2nd time out is not bad.Now heres the part that TERRY forgot to mention.

"MY BEST RUN 11.43@117 IN MY CAR WITH JPR"S SETUP AT A 46lb LIGHTER WEIGHT WAS MADE IN MINUS ---->1781 DA's."

And agin Terry u forgot to mention the COUNTLESS (150) RUNS IT TOOK TO RUN THIS ET.FWIW JPR and MYSELF STARTED AT 11.67@114 AND WHITTLED IT DOWN TO THE 43 by the yrs end.

Funny how Terry didnt mention that,I went out with my NEW CARTEK H/C in - 400 DA's and on only {15} runs on her at a RW of 3598lbs since being built and ran 11.17@120.68

Terry,what u forgot to let everyone know that?
Heavens NO,U couldnt of forgot that?No way, your too smart not to forget to tell everyone that arent u?Or are u again lying and making up BS.I still dont understand why u do this stuff?
I really dont Terry?All I ask is u print the whold truth,not what u want people to see.

I dont know what else to say other than that lie about the cam.Well how do u know that I had a different cam in my car Terry.Do u have actual proof?Do u have it on tape?Do u have it on an Email.Or again are u making up LIES to try and make me look bad.I say its NUMBER 3 and I for one want u to prove it once and for all or shut up already.U sound childish.

I dont know why u have this fascination with me?Frankly I think your obsessed with ME and ONLY me?Why Terry ?I think the whole world wants to know the answer to this question
WHY IS TERRY BURGER OBSESSED w/ JS?

I have no problem with u Terry.
Just state facts buddy.

Again all I want is to be left out of the BS
I'm sick of it guys.

I said it once and I'll say it again.
I'LL LET MY CAR DO THE TALKING!!!

JS
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[ June 01, 2002, 01:39 AM: Message edited by: JS ]

Jun 1, 2002 | 02:04 AM

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U have 2 RACE MAGNUMS and 2 pieces of pipe on your car VS my FULL SINGLE exhaust running to a cutout .By the way I never took
one pipe off my car.So I would say again your stuff is alittle lighter.
<hr /></blockquote>I run a full (and very quiet!) dynomax catback system. Better get your facts straight there bud.

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his MMS S2X package and u make it sound like its as simple as 1,2,3.I'm bet MMS doesnt think his MMS X package is a plain old off the shelf setup.U make it sound like a 2 week old pizza.MMS worked hard on this setup and for u to insult them IMO is wrong.But thats Mikes problem not mine.
<hr /></blockquote>It's a neat setup and Mike has probably 50 customers running the exact same package. I'm just pointing out its not a tuner special setup, like your car.

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U just wanna make people think u have alittle cam which we all know is BIGGER than mine and that U have 5.3 HEADS PORTED TO THE GILLS with MORE CR than MY LS6 heads and u have a lighter car.
<hr /></blockquote>1) My cam pulls just as much idle vacuum as yours, I remember you posting you pull 15" (IE cams are the same size).
2) The heads were discussed above. There is nothing special about my heads. To be honest MMS tells me their new 5.3 heads flow around 10-15 cfm more at points. I'm looking forward to trying a set of those with larger valves, or maybe even some LS6 castings.
3) a) Our cars are the same weight when you have the light weight driver.
b) My best is in a 1800' da, and your best is in a -100da. If you correct your times to my DA I bet they are back in the 11.3 range.

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Dave also ran the car and it was 3443lbs and went a 11.14
<hr /></blockquote>So JPR spun to an 11.35 in your car, and Julio dead hooked to a 11.14, that's the.2ths I'm talking about. Your car was the same weight for both of those runs.

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I dont know why u have this fascination with me?Frankly I think your obsessed with ME and ONLY me?Why Terry ?I think the whole world wants to know the answer to this question
WHY IS TERRY BURGER OBSESSED w/ JS?
<hr /></blockquote>Because I only have to write a short offhanded remark and you reply with a dissertation. I bet you didn't write this much your entire time in college. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

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I said it once and I'll say it again.
I'LL LET MY CAR DO THE TALKING!!!
<hr /></blockquote>Just tell your car to keep it under 150 words next time OK? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

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Jun 1, 2002 | 02:37 AM

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Re: Cartek "Z" package...Part 3

The ridiculous part is that in the big picture Terry, your slow......and you don t even know it....

The bottom line is that there are a lot of faster or quicker street cars or race cars...what ever .....
People enjoy cars......for many reasons.....

Jun 1, 2002 | 03:16 AM

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Actually Terrys car is quicker than a lot of others cars with more power and money put into them.That is why I respect him and John Cambell for their low budget big perfomer build ups.

So I wouldnt call him slow that is a 10sec car for sure with good weather.

Jun 1, 2002 | 06:57 AM

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Re: Cartek "Z" package...Part 3

um, thats Campbell, ....with a "P". <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Guys, I know y'all think y'all are protecting someones honor and all that and your standing up for what y'all beleive in, etc. etc. But dang, all thats coming across is a lot of mud slinging.

What say we drop it and move on?

Cam"P"bell

Jun 1, 2002 | 07:00 AM

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Ive got this Ive got that. Quit the bullshit terry and just do it!!!Hook up your NOS!!! After your done running around the car naked in your garage with your ***** tucked between your legs..chanting " IM QUICKER..IM QUICKER" go to the track and run that pig. Your quicker now........but your still an *******.You hook up your nos....your still an *******. Face it ..you will always be one because of your **** attitude on this forum. You molded yourself into this big brown turd.Your car is your life. WIth out your car and keyboard your powerless. Go out and get laid and quit screwing your exhaust pipes. You thrive on this and your nothing but an attention *****!!! You just need to grow up!!!

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Jun 1, 2002 | 08:36 AM

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Re: Cartek "Z" package...Part 3

You guys don't get it...
Terry loves to debate and suckers you guys and then you start with the name calling. If you have facts then make your arguement, but talking about Terry's sexual behavior make yourselves look stupid.

Its no secret that ATCO, Cecil & HRP are fast tracks because of negative DA weather and good prep. Stop making excuses and accept the fact that Houston & East Coast have an advantage. Untill everyone brings thier cars to the big meets (e.g. Bowling Green), its just going to be a bench racing, keyboard pounding, internet pissing match.

Cartech Dave's car had substantial weight savings when he ran 10s. Big deal. All of the stock cube guys running 10s have lighten their cars. He has a 10 second all motor slip because of a combination of factors such as motor, drivetrain, weather, weight, etc. Pissing about his set-up doesn't take his slip away.

Keep the personal barbs about Mike Morgan and MMS out of this.