Terry Burger

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i am finishing up law school - one more semester then i take the bar in Feb - i will practice securities compliance. but again, do not attempt to steal the spotlight from people making moves with this cam. i know i have heard it before that MMS created this cam but why has the 229 worked so well, yet the 230 fell on its face?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">From your spelling and grammar level I assumed you were a junior college student, sorry. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

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funny TB, one of the first things i noticed with this cam is the great STREETability. it idles great AND the midrange is VERY nice and fat. you are pretty much wrong with your statement.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'll trust the dyno charts I've seen over your biased unscientific commentary, if that’s OK with you. When you have a dyno chart post it and we'll compare. My experience with a similar grind is relatively mediocre power up to 4000rpm and great power over that. Your results may vary, but I doubt it.

Pro Stock John

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Keep us posted Raging Motorsports! Do you think the new cam might get you into the 10's with a hydraulic roller?

Terry, selling a product is not about jumping into someone else's thread and trying to take the spotlight away. It's safe to say that you probably hurt business as much as you help it as MMS with your incessant badgering of Cartek folks and claimjumping in threads like this.

And I have a feeling the racing cam does not compare to the MMS 229 cam, I bet the LSA is different.

Loco

I agree PSJ. I'll never buy from MMS. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" />

Terry Burger

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For the last time I'm not trying to sell anything! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Raging Motorsports

Thought I'd let a few of you know that we decided to test out a pretty healthy cam spec on a stock headed car. How big you may ask? Well, I'll just say for now that it is a spec of few of you have been asking for and it's definitely a MANs cam! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

The donor car(99 TA 6m) used to have a hotcam in it and has run a best of 12.40 at 110.7mph (1.72 60 foot time) and idled pretty rough like most other hotcam cars.

The other engine mods are: Dynatech headers, exhuast, lid, Ls1edit tuning. Other than that it also has few things going against it for the dyno like a Moser with 4.10's. stock ls1 intake and stock crank pulley. With the hotcam it pulled 365rwhp. The only change is the cam and we hope to dyno and track as soon as we can with it. We are also going to pull the B1 cam out of the formula here in a few weeks to switch a cam quite similar to this one.

Initial reaction to the new cam over the hotcam? Seems to idle better than the hotcam and has goobs of added lowend torque drivin around the streets. Still at stock idle at 800rpm and holds it much better than expected.

Stay tuned! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

<small>[ June 13, 2002, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: Raging Motorsports ]</small>

gator's 99TA

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blah blah blah - TB do you actually ADD to a conversation at any point or do you just make yourself important by ripping on others? if i were MMS i would cut you off bro. you make the company look bad by acting like a jealous child. keep running those high 10s in that race car bud! you have proven much in your life! kisses and hugs! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

<small>[ June 14, 2002, 02:17 AM: Message edited by: gator's 99TA ]</small>

gator's 99TA

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong>[QUOTE]From your spelling and grammar level I assumed you were a junior college student, sorry. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

[QUOTE]
My experience with a similar grind is relatively mediocre power up to 4000rpm and great power over that. Your results may vary, but I doubt it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">TB you contradict your self more than al gore! LOL - you are the laughing stock of this site and you have no idea!

didnt you say yourself that who cared about low rpm power in drag racing if we blow right past it? then again, you are the same guy that said you would never have a trailor stripped out big cam queen....oh wait, you contradicted again! you are funny to laugh at TB. like a child or a puppy....how cute

now but out untill you have something constructive to say. last i knew you do NOT have experience with this or any 230 cam. and let Morgan speak, i am sure he is able! HAHAHAHA - college degree boy! congrats - where did you recieve that degree - probably on the internet too! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Mike Hoffpauir

So what are the specs and who is grinding it?
I'm anxious to see track times and dyno figures.

Good Luck

Fireball

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Pro Stock John:
<strong>And I have a feeling the racing cam does not compare to the MMS 229 cam, I bet the LSA is different.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Based on what they said about idle...I'm betting its a 114+ LSA. The MMS229 v2.1 cam actually has 230/230 on the cam card (114 LSA) but I haven't cam doctored it to verify those numbers <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

VINCE

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Interesting.. Hmmmmm..

CHRISPY

I wanna know the specs. I think 230/230 on 112LSA would be awesome and around .600 lift <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Even a 230/234 would be killer too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Cheers,
Chris

nbm00ws6

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Loco:
<strong>I agree PSJ. I'll never buy from MMS. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Same here, and it's due to Terry B.
Tom
<img border="0" alt="[Firebird]" title="" src="graemlins/formula.gif" />

VINCE

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You guys are a trip.. You cant blame MMS for Terry's mouth. Besides, this thread is about a new cam. A single pattern cam.. I think we should stick to the topic and wait for the results. I think this could be interesting..

Raging Motorsports

I wanted to use this cam with 918 springs and .600 lift would not be a good idea to use 918's with.

It is not 114+ lobe separation either..that kind of lobe separation would probably put the peak power way up in the rpms.

<small>[ June 14, 2002, 09:54 AM: Message edited by: Raging Motorsports ]</small>

Pro Stock John

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You think the 918 cam will support that cam?

Terry Burger

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TB you contradict your self more than al gore! LOL - you are the laughing stock of this site and you have no idea!

didnt you say yourself that who cared about low rpm power in drag racing if we blow right past it? then again, you are the same guy that said you would never have a trailor stripped out big cam queen....oh wait, you contradicted again! you are funny to laugh at TB. like a child or a puppy....how cute
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I hate to break the news to you but you're not going to make a very good attorney, at least as far as litigation is concerned. Your analysis of arguments is consistently only "skims the surface" and more troubling on more than one occasion you've denied my conclusions without providing evidence to the contrary. Perhaps it's going to be paper pushing and contract law for you? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

RE my alleged contractions:
1) I don't own a trailer, I drove my car 2.5hrs to the track each way to run 10s.
2) At 3300# my car is lightened up but hardly stripped. I could easily "strip it" and knock another 150# off the car, if I was willing to give up driving the car.
3) My cam isn't large, I get 15" of vacuum at a 950rpm idle speed.

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now but out untill you have something constructive to say. last i knew you do NOT have experience with this or any 230 cam.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Like I said MMS came out with a very similar cam profile about a year ago. Approximately six months ago they started installing the cam in "cam only" applications and have had decent results with it. You claim your cam has very strong low and midrange, I'm telling you that you're wrong. All the dyno graphs I've seen of the MMS 229 cam are slightly below their 218 and 224 cams in the low end and early midrange. From around 4000rpm + the 229 really takes off. By continuing to pretend that you're the first one to try this cam profile in a stock headed car or otherwise not only are you living in a complete fantasy world, but you're seriously damaging your credibility.

gator's 99TA

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bye bye terry no one care what you think. you are here to simply pick on people and you have long destroyed your own creditability. blah, blah, blah....

all you do is tear people down by insulting them. why not tell me i am fat too like you do to JS? or i paid too much like you tell MTI? or that i am stupid like cartek? or that your tracks suck so much? or that your weather is not good? or that you dont have or believe in extreme setups? all i see is an insecure computer dork with a college degree (note: you couldn't bust on my degrees could ya since that is the only thing you boast about yourself?!? ) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> you are such the man <img border="0" alt="[boring]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" />

again, i like the cam and it does not lay down in the lower rpm range (which i NEVER see in racing). remember how you used to argue that issue? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

Pro Stock John

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Terry's claimjumping undermines his credibility. We don't like folks to do this our board. Terry start your own thread about MMS stuff. Maybe you and MMS need to go somewhere else.

Terry Burger

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much? or that your weather is not good? or that you dont have or believe in extreme setups? all i see is an insecure computer dork with a college degree (note: you couldn't bust on my degrees could ya since that is the only thing you boast about yourself?!? )
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You have a degree in finance and an MBA (hardly impressive degrees I might add). You're WORKING on a JD and from the looks of our conversations here, you're not going to make it. At least you wouldn't make it in to the California bar.

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all you do is tear people down by insulting them. why not tell me i am fat too like you do to JS? or i paid too much like you tell MTI? or that i am stupid like cartek? or that your tracks suck so much? or that your weather is not good? or that you dont have or believe in extreme setups? all i see is an insecure computer dork with a college degree (note: you couldn't bust on my degrees could ya since that is the only thing you boast about yourself?!? )
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's starting to sound like you're the insecure one. You were offended by me challenging your valve float argument, and you now seem to be personally offended that I'd challenge anything you say. These are not the actions of a secure person.

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again, i like the cam and it does not lay down in the lower rpm range (which i NEVER see in racing). remember how you used to argue that issue?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's a good argument. It renders the low RPM question moot by pointing out that cams are used to enhance our racing performance and during racing low RPM is infrequently used. It seems to me that the only decent argument you've made you copied from me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Do you continue to deny that the cam you're running right now is not significantly different from the MMS 229v1 (229.8 229.8 .580 .580 112ls)? If so I'd like to see the justification for it.

Terry Burger

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
Terry's claimjumping undermines his credibility. We don't like folks to do this our board. Terry start your own thread about MMS stuff. Maybe you and MMS need to go somewhere else.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">OK OK you twisted my arm. I'll concede. The raging cam is completely different than the MMS 229v1, MMS 229v2.0 and MMS 229v2.1 camshafts.

No one has ever conceived no less attempted to run such a large camshaft with stock heads or otherwise.

Furthermore Raging motorsports took a huge risk by being the first sponsor on LS1TECH.COM to run such a large camshaft with stock heads.

I personally believe that a camshaft this huge will have very strong low end and midrange characteristics.

Happy? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

<small>[ June 14, 2002, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: Terry Burger ]</small>