Raging Cam? Ohhh yeaaahh!!
06-14-2002, 11:50 AM
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Re: Raging Cam? Ohhh yeaaahh!! WHY terry? why insult? you act like a child. give credit where credit it due, you are not GOD. leave this thread please. you are not welcome to insult others here and the moderators should ban you back to LS1.com with the other ****-talking trolls.
thank you for not jumping back in this thread. start your own mullet thread. thank you as you have shown all of us the light with your insults.
BYE BYE - go home now.
thank you for not jumping back in this thread. start your own mullet thread. thank you as you have shown all of us the light with your insults.
BYE BYE - go home now.
06-14-2002, 01:18 PM
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Re: Raging Cam? Ohhh yeaaahh!! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by gator's 99TA:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong>Let us know how that 230 cam turns out. I don't think anyone has tried one yet with stock heads (cough 420rwhp stock heads MMS 229v2.1)</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">terry not everyone can benefit from the MMS dyno (cough: over-rated!) also i am not the standard MMS type car (you know, i dont have a 2.73 stock 10 bolt rearend, weak valves floatin to "create more duration on top rpm" carbon fiber driveshaft, aluminum flywheel ricer mods)
i just want to do an HONEST evaluation on what a CAM-ONLY change will do for this type of car.
i think my car represents more of the f-bodies here than your car does. not everyone has EVERY damn bolt on to make the dyno look huge. in fact i still have full exhaust (sorry no open header dyno spikes you so love) on the STOCK INTERMEDIATE PIPE!
remember the thing to look for here is the CHANGE in power since i was already pulling 365 RWHP through my cammed mosered car. if someone wants to donate an intake, pullies, and ported TB for that extra dyno 15 RWHP come by! i will be glad bro <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
so those that want to see how a MAN's cam will do under not so ideal situations (reality) Raging Motorsports will show you!
Gator - who has MORE college degrees than TB! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Looks to me like you started it Gator...not Terry. At least Terry didn't lie about having a degree to look more intelligent.
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong>Let us know how that 230 cam turns out. I don't think anyone has tried one yet with stock heads (cough 420rwhp stock heads MMS 229v2.1)</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">terry not everyone can benefit from the MMS dyno (cough: over-rated!) also i am not the standard MMS type car (you know, i dont have a 2.73 stock 10 bolt rearend, weak valves floatin to "create more duration on top rpm" carbon fiber driveshaft, aluminum flywheel ricer mods)
i just want to do an HONEST evaluation on what a CAM-ONLY change will do for this type of car.
i think my car represents more of the f-bodies here than your car does. not everyone has EVERY damn bolt on to make the dyno look huge. in fact i still have full exhaust (sorry no open header dyno spikes you so love) on the STOCK INTERMEDIATE PIPE!
remember the thing to look for here is the CHANGE in power since i was already pulling 365 RWHP through my cammed mosered car. if someone wants to donate an intake, pullies, and ported TB for that extra dyno 15 RWHP come by! i will be glad bro <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
so those that want to see how a MAN's cam will do under not so ideal situations (reality) Raging Motorsports will show you!
Gator - who has MORE college degrees than TB! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Looks to me like you started it Gator...not Terry. At least Terry didn't lie about having a degree to look more intelligent.
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Re: Raging Cam? Ohhh yeaaahh!! poop.
im just kidding....
no really, terry didnt start it and he DOES have a point. Although the RAGING cam (which we dont know exact spec's on) sounds just GREAT, we have no dyno figures and the old MMS cam does have similar specs to the ones eluded to here.
just keeping it non-biased here Johnny.
<small>[ June 14, 2002, 01:33 PM: Message edited by: Ryan ]</small>
im just kidding....
no really, terry didnt start it and he DOES have a point. Although the RAGING cam (which we dont know exact spec's on) sounds just GREAT, we have no dyno figures and the old MMS cam does have similar specs to the ones eluded to here.
just keeping it non-biased here Johnny.
<small>[ June 14, 2002, 01:33 PM: Message edited by: Ryan ]</small>
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Re: Raging Cam? Ohhh yeaaahh!! Ok guys just so it's straight..it's not like this cam was absolutely ground breaking like walking on the moon.. but people wanted to play it safe and go with smaller durations for the most part.
Alot of people still wanted results from a cam like this, including me. It's obvious after installing this cam that it idles decent and drives fine...I can easily say I would drive my car with this cam everyday.
Can't wait to get it to the dyno and track to get some better info out there. <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />
Alot of people still wanted results from a cam like this, including me. It's obvious after installing this cam that it idles decent and drives fine...I can easily say I would drive my car with this cam everyday.
Can't wait to get it to the dyno and track to get some better info out there. <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />
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Re: Raging Cam? Ohhh yeaaahh!! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Mike Hoffpauir:
<strong>So what are the specs and who is grinding it?
I'm anxious to see track times and dyno figures.
Good Luck</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I hate to ask a tech question in the middle of this all-important dialogue between TB and his haters, but alas what are the actual specs?
Any help would be appreciated.
<strong>So what are the specs and who is grinding it?
I'm anxious to see track times and dyno figures.
Good Luck</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I hate to ask a tech question in the middle of this all-important dialogue between TB and his haters, but alas what are the actual specs?
Any help would be appreciated.
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Re: Raging Cam? Ohhh yeaaahh!! I ran a 230/230 .570/.570 112LSA cam a while back. It ran ok but made no more peak horsepower on my setup than my 224/230 or my thunder 224/224 so I ditched it. It idled worse than the other two cams as well for obvious reasons.
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Re: Raging Cam? Ohhh yeaaahh!! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by jmX:
<strong>I ran a 230/230 .570/.570 112LSA cam a while back. It ran ok but made no more peak horsepower on my setup than my 224/230 or my thunder 224/224 so I ditched it. It idled worse than the other two cams as well for obvious reasons.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">do you think perhaps your heads were just maxed out? or at least something else was wrong? you gained **** when switching heads...and cams. i would call your testing accurate data points. not to mention theres more to the cam that blatant duration.
<strong>I ran a 230/230 .570/.570 112LSA cam a while back. It ran ok but made no more peak horsepower on my setup than my 224/230 or my thunder 224/224 so I ditched it. It idled worse than the other two cams as well for obvious reasons.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">do you think perhaps your heads were just maxed out? or at least something else was wrong? you gained **** when switching heads...and cams. i would call your testing accurate data points. not to mention theres more to the cam that blatant duration.
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Re: Raging Cam? Ohhh yeaaahh!! JmX, when I first went from the 224 cam to the 229 cam I picked up 0 rwhp on the dyno. I was afraid I had caught JmX syndrome (that is when you swap cams and gain nothing). I then realized that the tuning was completely different (especially the timing curve), and after adjusting the timing curve picked up like 20rwhp on the dyno (and .2ths at the track) over the only slightly smaller 224 cam. Just FYI.
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Re: Raging Cam? Ohhh yeaaahh!! I have no local tuner so indeed it could have all been lost in the tuning.
I'm now building another car up with the same heads, and this time I'll be SURE to let somebody with LS1edit (possibly myself) tweak it on the dyno for max power. I may just get MTI to do it but we'll see.
I'll be trying another cam again (I'm on the B1 now because it came with the car)...so it'll be aftermarket cam #7 for me. I'm convinced a 224-226 114lsa cam is what I want.
I'm not convinced bigger cams dont offer more power, but I am convinced its not so much a plug and play swap now. Like terry said, tuning may be the key. Its definitly something that was missing out of my equation.
And no, it wasnt maxing the heads. I swapped heads just incase and the numbers were unchanged. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
I'm now building another car up with the same heads, and this time I'll be SURE to let somebody with LS1edit (possibly myself) tweak it on the dyno for max power. I may just get MTI to do it but we'll see.
I'll be trying another cam again (I'm on the B1 now because it came with the car)...so it'll be aftermarket cam #7 for me. I'm convinced a 224-226 114lsa cam is what I want.
I'm not convinced bigger cams dont offer more power, but I am convinced its not so much a plug and play swap now. Like terry said, tuning may be the key. Its definitly something that was missing out of my equation.
And no, it wasnt maxing the heads. I swapped heads just incase and the numbers were unchanged. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
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Re: Raging Cam? Ohhh yeaaahh!! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by jmX:
<strong>I have no local tuner so indeed it could have all been lost in the tuning.
I'm now building another car up with the same heads, and this time I'll be SURE to let somebody with LS1edit (possibly myself) tweak it on the dyno for max power. I may just get MTI to do it but we'll see.
I'll be trying another cam again (I'm on the B1 now because it came with the car)...so it'll be aftermarket cam #7 for me. I'm convinced a 224-226 114lsa cam is what I want.
I'm not convinced bigger cams dont offer more power, but I am convinced its not so much a plug and play swap now. Like terry said, tuning may be the key. Its definitly something that was missing out of my equation.
And no, it wasnt maxing the heads. I swapped heads just incase and the numbers were unchanged. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">i was thinking along the lines of those ARE heads gained you nothing over the IRS ones and subsequently did not have enough flow for the 224/230 or 230/230. just a guess. you see the same thing with TTop and his stage ones. again, just throwing it out there.
<strong>I have no local tuner so indeed it could have all been lost in the tuning.
I'm now building another car up with the same heads, and this time I'll be SURE to let somebody with LS1edit (possibly myself) tweak it on the dyno for max power. I may just get MTI to do it but we'll see.
I'll be trying another cam again (I'm on the B1 now because it came with the car)...so it'll be aftermarket cam #7 for me. I'm convinced a 224-226 114lsa cam is what I want.
I'm not convinced bigger cams dont offer more power, but I am convinced its not so much a plug and play swap now. Like terry said, tuning may be the key. Its definitly something that was missing out of my equation.
And no, it wasnt maxing the heads. I swapped heads just incase and the numbers were unchanged. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">i was thinking along the lines of those ARE heads gained you nothing over the IRS ones and subsequently did not have enough flow for the 224/230 or 230/230. just a guess. you see the same thing with TTop and his stage ones. again, just throwing it out there.
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Re: Raging Cam? Ohhh yeaaahh!! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
Terry's claimjumping undermines his credibility. We don't like folks to do this our board. Terry start your own thread about MMS stuff. Maybe you and MMS need to go somewhere else.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">OK OK you twisted my arm. I'll concede. The raging cam is completely different than the MMS 229v1, MMS 229v2.0 and MMS 229v2.1 camshafts.
No one has ever conceived no less attempted to run such a large camshaft with stock heads or otherwise.
Furthermore Raging motorsports took a huge risk by being the first sponsor on LS1TECH.COM to run such a large camshaft with stock heads.
I personally believe that a camshaft this huge will have very strong low end and midrange characteristics.
Happy? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
Terry's claimjumping undermines his credibility. We don't like folks to do this our board. Terry start your own thread about MMS stuff. Maybe you and MMS need to go somewhere else.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">OK OK you twisted my arm. I'll concede. The raging cam is completely different than the MMS 229v1, MMS 229v2.0 and MMS 229v2.1 camshafts.
No one has ever conceived no less attempted to run such a large camshaft with stock heads or otherwise.
Furthermore Raging motorsports took a huge risk by being the first sponsor on LS1TECH.COM to run such a large camshaft with stock heads.
I personally believe that a camshaft this huge will have very strong low end and midrange characteristics.
Happy? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />
06-15-2002, 08:21 PM
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Re: Raging Cam? Ohhh yeaaahh!! i will be dynoing my car on monday evening. the dyno here has been super busy (as have i) so that is the earliest i could get a time. i am also trying to figure out this problem i am having with my O2s.
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Re: Raging Cam? Ohhh yeaaahh!! I would guess they finally put something on a 110 LSA <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> it will work just fine with the right lobes
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Re: Raging Cam? Ohhh yeaaahh!! Well the results are in. We didn't work on it very long on the dyno as far tuning. but...
381rwhp, 352rwtq. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
compared to the hotcam graph it lost some torque down low but held on to to it and gained it it up top. Also the hp was pretty much the same until it hit the upper rpms then it gained pretty good.
LS6 intake goes on next week and I'm sure it will help the higher rpms.
On another note, we tried a stock TB hole vs a drilled TB hole and it idled much better drilled out.
381rwhp, 352rwtq. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
compared to the hotcam graph it lost some torque down low but held on to to it and gained it it up top. Also the hp was pretty much the same until it hit the upper rpms then it gained pretty good.
LS6 intake goes on next week and I'm sure it will help the higher rpms.
On another note, we tried a stock TB hole vs a drilled TB hole and it idled much better drilled out.
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Re: Raging Cam? Ohhh yeaaahh!! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
compared to the hotcam graph it lost some torque down low but held on to to it and gained it it up top. Also the hp was pretty much the same until it hit the upper rpms then it gained pretty good.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So in other words I was right. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
compared to the hotcam graph it lost some torque down low but held on to to it and gained it it up top. Also the hp was pretty much the same until it hit the upper rpms then it gained pretty good.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So in other words I was right. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
