PBJ

Hey guys,
How would you compare the two cams? Performance...HP/TORQUE and drivability? I am
going to purchase one for a friends '00 SS this week . Any input would be great !!! It is a 6
speed car with with ported stock heads, LS6 intake, long tubes, no cats, slp exhaust ( center
out ), hpp3, 150 NX wet kit. I will have Ed Wright do some tuning after the cam install. If there
is something hotter out there let me know... this is a daily driver, so keep that in mind.
Thanks again,
Joe

Smoke_ur_5.0

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TR224 hands DOWN! Hell, it will probably idle better than the hotcam too.

Sears

Check out my website for info when I ran the 224 Thunder cam with stock heads. Thunder cam all the way. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Justin

<small>[ April 06, 2002, 07:28 PM: Message edited by: Jsears8 ]</small>

Damian

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The thunder cam will KILL the Hotcam at every RPM and idle better.

PBJ

Thanks for the fast reply !!! We were weighing out the cost difference, but if there is that kind of difference on performance ... we will buy the tr224 on a 112 center. Jsears8, I can only hope the car will run high 11's on the motor like your T/A, that is very nice #s !!!
Thanks again,
Joe

98blackSS

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Damian:
<strong>The thunder cam will KILL the Hotcam at every RPM and idle better.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Please explain.. What's your definition of "kill" and throw out some HP differences.

XtraCajunSS

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by PBJ:
<strong>Thanks for the fast reply !!! We were weighing out the cost difference, but if there is that kind of difference on performance ... we will buy the tr224 on a 112 center. Jsears8, I can only hope the car will run high 11's on the motor like your T/A, that is very nice #s !!!
Thanks again, Joe</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you are looking for the smoothest idle, the 114LSA will be a little smoother although they both are very tame IMHO. And they are right, the Thunder cam will spank the HOT cam pretty badly. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Shane

Jason99T/A

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Another vote for the Thunder 224 cam. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> I love mine. It will idle better and will make more power in my opinion.

gator's 99TA

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yes, it is true that the hotcam will not make the power of the TR224. you will need to go with upgrades in the valvetrane.

for a reference. i made 365 RWHP with a few boltons and stock catback and cutout. i think that is about 12-15 RWHP less than the other cam. this is all on stock programing ofcourse.

PBJ

Thanks again for all the responses... I think I will like the 112 better than the 114 just for the sound difference. Hopefully it won't set any misfire faults... I have had problems in the past on other OBD2 cars and larger than stock cams... anyway, thanks again.
Joe

Sears

Honestly I can't tell any sound difference between the 112 and 114 lsa TR 224 cams. Mine is on a 112 running an open y-pipe, Jason's is on a 114 running through the cutout in the I-pipe.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jason99T/A:
<strong>I have had a few emails wondering how the TR 224 112lsa sounds compared to the TR 224 114lsa.

Here is Jsears8's car (TR 224 112lsa):
Thunder 224 112 lsa (cutout open)

Here is my car with the TR 224 114lsa:
Thunder 224 114lsa (cutout open)</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">

02 Silver Z

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I`m also seriously considering the HOT cam, which in my mind will work well with stock LS6 heads I`m going to buy.(Not to mention the price) But I`ve heard alot of bad talk about the HOT cam as of late and how inferior it is compared to other aftermarket cams. I was wondering if there is a site or past post that goes over the goods and bads of it in some detail? I`m also trying to stay with factory tuning. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

GregM

I know I will probably get flamed for this, but a buddy of mine has the hotcam in his 2000 ss with an A4 with MAC headers, a 3500 stall, and a cutout, and ran a 11.6x at 119mph yesterday. It was unbeliveable to say the least! His car idles crap and dies occasionally and he does have Ed Wright's tuning, but man, that thing goes down the track! His last dyno was 379hp, 401tq

Greg

MyLS1Hauls

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 02 Silver Z:
<strong>I`m also seriously considering the HOT cam, which in my mind will work well with stock LS6 heads I`m going to buy.(Not to mention the price) But I`ve heard alot of bad talk about the HOT cam as of late and how inferior it is compared to other aftermarket cams. I was wondering if there is a site or past post that goes over the goods and bads of it in some detail? I`m also trying to stay with factory tuning. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The hotcam definitely adds power over the stock one, but there are better cams out there for power. It depends on what you are looking for and the cost issue. A hotcam kit can be had for about $400. Most other cams will run you about $400 for the cam and another $160 for springs. So its a little more pricey. I wouldnt personally get a hotcam since it idles too rough for my tastes. I think that the 228* exhaust duration is wayy to high for only having 218* intake duration. It makes idle suffer. Its also ground on a 112* LSA which idles rougher than a 114* I wouldnt get the TR 224 either...just my preference. I'd get something more tame like a 216, but then again I rarely ever visit the track and my car needs to run well in the winter. Its a good cam, just not the best...powerwise that is. Good luck in you decision.

Brad

Damian

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 98blackSS:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Damian:
<strong>The thunder cam will KILL the Hotcam at every RPM and idle better.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Please explain.. What's your definition of "kill" and throw out some HP differences.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">"Kill" = Make more power at every rpm. The Hotcam is a hit or miss. Most don't make much power with it, while very few actually make decent power. I have seen 3 or 4 Hotcam cars dyno, and none made anything impressive. There are TR cammed cars making 390-400 rwhp w/ STOCK heads.

FWIW, I have raced 2 Hotcammed cars. Busted both their ***'s w/ my puny bolt on 98 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

josh

35th SS

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have the setup for almost 2yrs now.Its okay but want to make more power.ordered tr cam 112 lsa and emt stage 2 heads. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

TA_2001

Ok here we go... the cam debate.

There is a cam that fits everyone

The hot cam is a good cam for somebody
that wants a bit extra has a M6 doesnt
want to get to far away from GM and
has everything you need when you get it.
( pace parts sells EVERYTHING $450ish
delivered ) gaskets , crankbolt, springs,
cam..

Ok .. here is some desktop dyno info on some
leading cams ( calculated )
http://www.ls1info.com/article.php?sid=63

You will notice that the hotcam does peak before
the stock rev limiter so you dont have to get
programming to hit the sweet spots.
hotcam+lid+catback dyno sheet
http://www.ls1info.com/article.php?sid=118

Idle problems with the hotcam can be ajusted
by drilling throttle blade ( me = 15/64) and added a .022" spacer on top of idle set screw.

Before you pick a cam..
(1.) street or drag
(2.) Do you care about reliablility ??
(3.) daily driver?
(4.) definite plans for heads/headers ??


Do what you feel best with and what matches
your driving habits..

smiley

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by TA_2001:
<strong>
Before you pick a cam..
(1.) street or drag
(2.) Do you care about reliablility ??
(3.) daily driver?
(4.) definite plans for heads/headers ??

</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ok boys - i've been planning a cam for a while. i've been set on the hotcam lately - but now i keep hearing about all these new cams....

1 - street
2 - yes
3 - no
4 - heads - no headers - yes

see mods in sig - i'm also planning on slp lt and orp. i never plan on doing any other big power adders (no nitous, blower, internal engine, etc). so my cam and headers will be about the end of it. i may do more smaller stuff - port maf, ls6 intake (this is the black thing on top of the engine right). other than that - my mods will be suspension oriented.

so i want a cam that (1)makes power (but not all on the top end!!!) though out the band. i'm doing all the work my self - (2)so it must be simple (hehe) and require too complex of knowledge to get my car to run afterwards <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> . i also want it to (3) sound good - of the smaller cams, the hotcam is the only one that i've heard has a nice lope to it. (4) money is not really an issue for the cam choice.

so should the hotcam still be my choice? pbviously - install isn't too bad once it's done. but i'm going to have to live with the power and sound forever... so i want it to sound badass and give me power through out the band.

thanks guys!!!!

rrheads.com

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by GregM:
<strong>I know I will probably get flamed for this, but a buddy of mine has the hotcam in his 2000 ss with an A4 with MAC headers, a 3500 stall, and a cutout, and ran a 11.6x at 119mph yesterday. It was unbeliveable to say the least! His car idles crap and dies occasionally and he does have Ed Wright's tuning, but man, that thing goes down the track! His last dyno was 379hp, 401tq

Greg</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks Greg. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
I am who Greg speaks of.
Everyone likes to justify spending what they spent and would rather not be seen to make a bad choice of cams. It is more about the total combination of parts rather than simply what cam you choose. The TR224 cam is a good cam, as are others, and unless you have run many different cams, you are only spreading hearsay when you say one is better than another. Dyno numbers are a pretty poor way to compare. Instead, go run some 1/4 mile traps and compare speed. This will tell you more accurately what power you are putting to the ground. I am happy with my LS1 Hotcam, it does what I want it to-Make power all across the RPM range. I could care less about idle quality or emissions, but I also understand that is important to others. Just pick a cam you like, and enjoy it. No need to ridicule anyone else's choice of cam as long as they are happy with it.
Now, for what it is worth, I have the ultimate "ghetto" setup. It was all done in my 2 car garage by me and simply consists of my own porting, stock valves, stock LS1 intake, LS6 springs installed at 1.800, SY3500 stall, 3.42 gears, Stock 4L60E, Stock bottom end, Stock Maf, Stock TB, Airlid, MAC Headers with ORY, and a cutout, Ed wright PCM with shifts at 6500. All my runs are on heavy 17X11 AFS wheels with 315 Nitto's and 275 nitto's 555% in front.
No weight removal, stock suspension, with heated springs to lower them a bit. I am pretty sure that is it. all else is totally stock. I think I have spent around $2000 total on all parts. $2000 for a 11.6 at 119.8 with no spray, on 346 cubes is a winner in my book.
These engines really are bang for the buck.
Good luck all.

JSR
www.rrheads.com
2000 SS #2020
11.64@119.8

Black Magic

I'll try to be as fair a spossible with my post. I run the Hot Cam with longtubes and the LS6 intake. I dyno'd 397/403. My quarter mile times were 12.1 @ 119 with a 2.0 60' (Obviously smoking them off the line. I honestly feel an 11.70 was in the car). For all the power everybody says the Hot Cam doesn't have, I'd say I was doing pretty good.

I guess there is another guy around here (just saw posted this morning) running the Thunder cam. He posted he saw 392/376 (What's nice is we used the same dyno). Don't know his quarter mile info, think the set up is too new. Anyway, from what I have seen, in the real world the Hot Cam remains pretty close in peak HP numbers, but surpasses most other similar cams in the torque numbers. Then again, it could be my car because I have dyno'd 20-30 pounds higher than other Hot Cam cars.

In my opinion, they are both good cams. Tomorrow I am going to dyno another Thunder Cam (114), and by weeks end will be dynoing another Hot Cam. If you want more info from those, just email me and I'll let you know what I find. The Thunder equipped car dyno'd 343 before cam, the Hot Cam car had 325 before.

Hope this helps!