Fulton 1

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Coach O2 Z28:
Let me jump in here. I just had a forged 346 motor built by Thunder Racing. Dude it ROCKS! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" /> 11.34et @ 122mph 1st time out!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's impressive, Coach. If you don;t mind could you share some of the details of your engine setup - I'm mainly interested in cam, compression, cylinder head-type info. I'm also assuming stock crank, is this correct? I'm a big TR fan and going this route hadn't really occurred to me, but sounds very promising. Thanks <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Jason99T/A

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Fulton 1:
<strong>That's impressive, Coach. If you don;t mind could you share some of the details of your engine setup - I'm mainly interested in cam, compression, cylinder head-type info. I'm also assuming stock crank, is this correct? I'm a big TR fan and going this route hadn't really occurred to me, but sounds very promising. Thanks <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Since Coach probably won't be able to answer for awhile, I'll give the quick run down of his engine. He can fill in the other deatils.

- JE forged pistons
- Oliver rods
- stock crank
- GTP stage 2 5.3l heads (2.02/1.57)
- 12.1:1 compression ratio
- Thunder 230/227 .569/.569 111 lsa

Coach 02 A3 Z/28

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Normally I am not on the computer at this time but I am showing "Brian's Song" to my class right now. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Thanks, Jason for replying. Call ya at the shop later.

Just to add to what jason said, we are going to run 10's in the summer heat with this motor. I just need to break her in(only 150 miles so far on the motor),more tuning and l need to practise driving the Hot Rod(very different from the way it was before the new motor).

I will be at the track Friday night TNT and Bracket Race her on Sunday. I will post the results in the Drag Racing section. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

I hope this helps. <img border="0" alt="[angel]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_angel.gif" />

<small>[ May 30, 2002, 01:39 PM: Message edited by: Coach 02 Z28 ]</small>

BADZ

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4340 crank--2400-2600.00
Billet rods--1000.00
Custom Pistons--800.00
Stock shortblock--500.00-600.00
Gaskets--240.00ish
Assembly+ all the bearings,rings,+coating--1000.00

Am I missing anything on this built shortblock?

This is if you do it yourself and these prices are approx, Heads are another animal...

Fulton 1

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Hey Jason and Coach, thanks for the info - sounds like a stout setup. Definitely something to consider although 12:1 compression wouldn't be in my ballpark since I wanna keep it on pump gas (and to make matters worse the best I can do here in WA is 92 octane <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> ). Thanks! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Jason99T/A

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Fulton 1, Thunder can build whatever setup you would like. If you want to keep the compression around a pump gas friendly 10.7:1 or so, just use a set of regular 5.7l LS1 castings with very little milling. This will put you well over 400rwhp with the proper cam selection/bolt ons and have a bottom end that can withstand some n20 if you like. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Quickin

I can comment on Mike Norris, he's e very serious builder just like any of the others that are sponsors here, he's just not a sponsor. He's doing the install of my ARE 436, suspension, brakes, tranny and custom exhaust. I've been to his shop to visit and he builds the same engines as the rest of the shops. When I was there he was building a pretty wicked C5R engine as well as stroker Twin Turbos. He's got a couple 422's he's finishing up right now. I wish I would have had him do my motor to, my ARE motor was paid for almost 3 months ago.

Norris Motorsports is a top notch shop. He has answered my questions for 1 year now without a problem.

Use him if your close.

Fulton 1

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Thanks again for the info Jason. This sounds like a very nice (and reliable) way to go. I'll contact TR and get some more specifics here in the near future. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Trans Am WS6 420

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BADZ:
<strong>4340 crank--2400-2600.00
Billet rods--1000.00
Custom Pistons--800.00
Stock shortblock--500.00-600.00
Gaskets--240.00ish
Assembly+ all the bearings,rings,+coating--1000.00

Am I missing anything on this built shortblock?

This is if you do it yourself and these prices are approx, Heads are another animal...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wow, just remembered this thread.

Ok, so assuming I did the work myself, and reused my shortblock, what costs would I have beyond:

Billet rods - 1000.00
Custom Pistons - 800.00
Rings - 250.00ish
Head gaskets and head bolts - 500.00
Chromeoly pushrods - 115.00
Rod Bolts - ?

What else am I missing? I'm trying to get a real good idea here....

- Matt

Terry Burger

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$500 in machine and balance work.

Trans Am WS6 420

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Ok, so $3,165.00 + $100.00 for rod bolts, and I'm out the door at under $3,300.00. Thats not such a bad number.

Terry Burger

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When building engines always take the final number and multiply it by 1.25. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Trans Am WS6 420

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LOL, I imagine you're right. Not like anything has gone right on my car the first time...

Unreal

Most high performance rods come with rodbolts, so you would not have ot buy them seperately.

I agree with the 1.25 rule.

BADZ

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I have about 6500.00 in the short block and 3500.00+ in the heads now!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

<small>[ July 05, 2002, 04:06 PM: Message edited by: BADZ ]</small>

VINCE

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What!!!!! You have included labor as well right? What is in your shortblock that is not included in others forged 346ci?

BADZ

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4340 lunati crank... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> (that's with labor)

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VINCE:
<strong>What!!!!! You have included labor as well right? What is in your shortblock that is not included in others forged 346ci?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">

<small>[ July 05, 2002, 04:49 PM: Message edited by: BADZ ]</small>

RyanJ

i *think* BADZ has a forged stock stroke crank. i may be wrong there. who knows about the heads though...i thought they were GTP's though

RyanJ

damn...beat me.

Jason 98 TA

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I have a stock ci short block with forged pistons that I might be selling, drop me a e-mail if your interested.

Thanks

Jason